Chewy Inc (NYSE:CHWY). reported a 5% increase in net sales for the third quarter, reaching $2.88 billion. Despite this growth, the company's stock experienced a premarket decline, dropping 6.96% to $31.28. Chewy's innovative strategies, including new vet care clinics and a membership program, are part of its efforts to expand market share in the pet industry.
Key Takeaways
- Q3 net sales increased by 5% to $2.88 billion.
- Stock fell 6.96% in premarket trading.
- Chewy launched new vet care clinics and a membership program.
- Full-year sales guidance raised to $11.79-$11.81 billion.
- Automation improvements increased productivity by up to 50%.
Company Performance
Chewy's performance in the third quarter reflects steady growth, with net sales rising 5% to $2.88 billion. The company has focused on expanding its product offerings and enhancing its customer experience through new initiatives like Chewy Vet Care Clinics and the Chewy Plus membership program. These efforts aim to strengthen its position in a competitive pet industry, which is showing signs of normalization.
Financial Highlights
- Revenue: $2.88 billion, up 5% year-over-year
- Adjusted EBITDA: $138 million, 4.8% margin
- Free cash flow: $151.8 million
- Cash and cash equivalents: $508 million
Company Outlook
Chewy has raised its full-year 2024 net sales guidance to $11.79-$11.81 billion, indicating a 6% year-over-year growth. The company expects modest active customer growth in 2024, with stronger growth anticipated in 2025. Fourth-quarter net sales are projected to be between $3.18 billion and $3.20 billion.
Executive Commentary
"Our AutoShip program enables high visibility and predictability in our business and drives customer stickiness," said CEO Sumit Singh. He also noted, "We are seeing higher auto ship adoption rates from this early cohort of customers," highlighting the success of Chewy's strategic initiatives.
Q&A
During the earnings call, analysts inquired about Chewy's marketing strategies, customer acquisition trends, and the impact of automation on fulfillment centers. The company addressed these concerns by detailing improvements in supply chain efficiency and automation, which have led to productivity gains of up to 50% in automated centers.
Risks and Challenges
- Supply chain disruptions could impact product availability.
- Market saturation in the pet industry may limit growth.
- Macroeconomic pressures could affect consumer spending.
- Increased competition from other pet retailers.
- Potential challenges in scaling new initiatives like vet clinics.
Full transcript - Chewy Inc (CHWY) Q3 2025:
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Chewy Third Quarter 20 24 Earnings Call. My name is Emily, and I'll be coordinating your call today. After the presentation, there will be the opportunity for you to ask any questions, which you can do so by pressing star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. I will now hand the call over to our host, Chewy's CFO, David Reeder, to begin. David, please go ahead.
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: Thank you for joining us on the call today to discuss our Q3 results for fiscal year 2024. Joining me today is Chuy's CEO, Sumit Singh. Our earnings release, which was filed with the SEC earlier today, has been posted to the Investor Relations section of our website. In addition to the earnings release, a presentation summarizing our results is also available on our website at investor. Chewy.com.
On our call today, we will be making forward looking statements, including statements concerning Chuy's financial results and performance, industry trends, strategic initiatives, share repurchase program and the environment in which we operate. Such statements are considered forward looking statements under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties and other factors described in the section titled Risk Factors in our quarterly report on Form 10 Q for the 1st quarter of fiscal year 2024 and in our other filings with the SEC, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by our forward looking statements. Reported results should not be considered an indication of future performance. Also note that the forward looking statements on this call are based on information available to us as of today's date. We assume no obligation to update any forward looking statements except as required by law.
Also during this call, we will discuss certain non GAAP financial measures. Reconciliation of these non GAAP items to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are provided on our Investor GAAP financial measures are provided on our Investor Relations website and in our earnings release. These non GAAP measures are not intended as a substitute for GAAP results. Additionally, unless otherwise stated, all comparisons discussed on today's call will be against the comparable period of fiscal year 2023. Finally, this call in its entirety is being webcast on our Investor Relations website.
A replay of the audio webcast will also be available on our Investor Relations website shortly. And with that, I'd like to turn the call over to Sumit.
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Thank you, Dave, and thank you all for joining us on today's call. Our 3rd quarter results continued to build on the positive momentum we observed in Q2. We delivered top line growth exceeding the high end of our net sales guidance range, a sequential increase in active customers, continued adjusted EBITDA margin expansion and robust free cash flow generation. These results underscore the durability of our business model and our team's relentless focus on high quality execution and operational discipline. With that, let's dive into the details.
Q3 net sales increased by approximately 5% to $2,880,000,000 Both the strength of our flagship auto ship program and our customers' loyalty in non discretionary categories, particularly within consumables and health, anchored our Q3 net sales performance. Our AutoShip program enables high visibility and predictability in our business and drives customer stickiness for Chewy. AutoShip customer sales reached $2,300,000,000 in the quarter, representing 80% of Q3 net sales and a year over year increase of approximately 9%. Non discretionary categories including consumables and healthcare products and services accounted for 85% of Q3 net sales. Customers appreciate our comprehensive product catalog and our ongoing efforts to refresh assortment across food, treats and hard goods.
Over the last few quarters, we have increased our assortment across popular categories such as pet tech, vet food and supplements to name a few, adding several new premium brands, most of which launched exclusively on chewy.com. Additionally, we are continuously rolling out enhancements to our on-site and in app experiences to ensure we are providing an even more enjoyable and convenient shopping journey for pet parents. Last quarter, I spoke about our efforts to redesign our mobile app and make the overall app experience more convenient for customers. In Q3, both unique customers who placed at least one order on the app and average app monthly active users or app MAU increased in the mid teens range compared to Q3 of last year. I am excited by the strong engagement we continue to observe through our mobile app and the experience it brings to our customers.
Continuing on the topic of customers, I am pleased to share that Q3 marked another quarter of sequential active customer growth building on the momentum we established coming out of our Q2. Our efforts to enhance shopping experiences, expand assortment and various ongoing innovations combined with our powerful marketing and CRM strategy continue to drive outperformance, while macro normalization steadily continues in the background. We ended the 3rd quarter with approximately 20,200,000 active customers, up 160,000 sequentially. We now expect to end fiscal 2024 with active customers up modestly over last year, a trend which we expect to continue to strengthen in 2025. Turning to profitability, we generated $138,000,000 of adjusted EBITDA in the quarter, representing a 4.8% margin and approximately 180 basis points of margin expansion year over year.
Our Q3 adjusted EBITDA results reflect a continuation of our strong gross margin performance, a disciplined approach to cost management and the ongoing benefits of fixed cost leverage as we scale. Our increasing profitability has enabled us to continue to return meaningful capital to shareholders as reflected by the incremental $342,000,000 we deployed to shareholders in the 3rd quarter. Now let me provide an update on some of Chuy's strategic initiatives and innovations. The sponsored ads business continues to perform well and as expected, we remain on track to reach the low end of our previously stated long term target range of 1% to 3% of net sales in fiscal 2024. We remain on track with our 1P technology migration and look forward to starting the new fiscal year fully converted to our 1P software platform.
Moving to Chewy's healthcare offerings. I am proud of the progress our team has made this year across healthcare products and services, especially Chewy Vet Care or CVC. With the launch of Chewy Vet Care Clinics earlier this year, we not only unlocked the $25,000,000,000 vet services TAM opportunity, but we are also observing compelling complementarities across the entire Chewy ecosystem. We have 6 clinics open today and expect to reach the high end of our previously stated target range of 4 to 8 clinic openings in 2024 later this fiscal year. Performance across our clinic footprint is promising, and I'm happy to share that the early signs of success we spoke about last quarter have continued through Q3.
The proportion of new to Chuy customers acquired through Chuy Vet Care continues to outperform relative to expectations. Additionally, broader ecosystem benefits, including cross category shopping and post clinic visit purchases on chuy.com have strengthened since last quarter, indicating that our ability to seamlessly connect care with commerce is resonating with pet parents. I would also like to take a moment to talk about chewy plus our paid membership program. Recall that we launched Chewy Plus in summer 2024 to a representative sample of customers. Since launching the program, we have been carefully studying the shopping behavior of Chewy Plus members and are tracking several key indicators of success, including the program's potential to accelerate wallet share consolidation and drive stronger cross category engagement.
Based on the data we have analyzed over the last several months, we are seeing that Chewy Plus members consistently place more orders, have higher cross category penetration and greater mobile app engagement relative to non Chewy Plus customers. Furthermore, we are seeing higher auto ship adoption rates from this early cohort of customers, signaling a potentially compelling flywheel effect of the Chewy plus program. While contribution to the overall enterprise remains immaterial, we are encouraged by these early results and look forward to introducing the program to our broader base of customers. Touching on Canada, where we completed a full year of operations in Q3. The Canadian business, while still relatively small and immaterial to the overall scale of Chewy, continues to improve across key metrics, including auto ship penetration, net sales growth and profitability.
Additionally, we remain focused on strengthening brand awareness in Canada and are excited by the brand partnership we've recently signed with the Toronto Maple Leafs hockey team. We believe Chewy's passion for pets perfectly aligns with Torontonian's passion for the Maple Leaf's and we are bringing this to life with dynamic advertising and interactive fan moments during games at Scotiabank (TSX:BNS) Arena. Lastly, I would like to acknowledge a notable milestone for Chuy with our recent inclusion in the S and P 400 Index as of November 6. We view our inclusion in this index as an endorsement of our performance, our enduring business and our compelling growth opportunities ahead. In closing, I would like to thank all of our dedicated Chewy team members for their hard work and strong execution in the Q3.
We are now focused on executing through our final quarter of 2024 and are excited about the customer engagement we have seen thus far through this holiday season and look forward to ending fiscal year 2024 on a high note. With that, I will turn the call over to Dave. Thank you, Sumit.
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: 3rd quarter net sales grew 4.8% year over year to 2,880,000,000 exceeding the high end of the guidance range we provided last quarter. The pricing promotion and discount environment remained stable throughout the quarter. As such, year over year revenue growth was primarily driven by active customer growth and cross category product penetration, resulting in continued customer wallet share gain. We ended the quarter with 20,200,000 active customers, reflecting a sequential net increase of approximately 160,000 customers. Gross additions exceeded pre COVID levels and gross churn improved year over year.
Within gross additions, both new customers and reactivations grew year over year in the quarter. We are encouraged by the positive momentum in active customers and expect these trends to continue through the balance of the year. Against the backdrop of a modestly improving pet industry and strong Chewy specific execution, we now expect to end fiscal year 2024 with modest year over year active customer growth. 3rd quarter auto ship customer sales increased by 8.7 percent to $2,300,000,000 outpacing total net sales growth in the quarter by approximately 390 basis points. Auto ship customer sales as a percentage of total net sales increased by 2.90 basis points to 80%, a new company record.
Additionally, we continued to grow share of wallet with Q3 net sales per active customer for Nest Back reaching $5.67 Moving to profitability. We reported 3rd quarter gross margin of 29.3%, representing 80 basis points of margin expansion year over year. Our growing sponsored ads business was the largest driver of gross margin improvement in the quarter, followed by product mix shift into premium categories, including consumables and pharmacy. Additionally, promotional activity in the Q3 was in line with our expectations, and the promotional environment to date in the Q4 remains rational. Shifting to operating expenses.
Please note that my discussion of SG and A excludes share based compensation expense and related taxes. 3rd quarter SG and A totaled $546,000,000 or 19% of net sales, representing 90 basis points of improvement on a year over year basis. SG and A leverage was primarily driven by continued discipline and efficiency with respect to corporate payroll, fulfillment and other at scale efficiency benefits. 3rd quarter advertising and marketing expense was $191,800,000 or 6.7 percent of net sales. I would note that we expect advertising and marketing expense to come in at the high end of our previously stated range of 6% to 7% of net sales for the full year.
This is primarily due to the timing of certain marketing campaigns in Q4. 3rd quarter adjusted net income was $84,900,000 representing a 34% increase year over year. Net income for the quarter was $3,900,000 which translated into $0.01 earnings per share on both a basic and diluted basis. Finally, we reported adjusted EBITDA of $138,200,000 representing a 4.8% adjusted EBITDA margin and 180 basis points of year over year margin expansion driven by the improvements in gross margin and SG and A described earlier. We reported free cash flow of $151,800,000 in the Q3, reflecting $183,500,000 of net cash provided by operating activities and $31,700,000 of capital expenditures.
Our Q3 trailing 12 month free cash flow was over $360,000,000 and demonstrates our ability to generate increasing levels of free cash flow while continuing to invest in our growth initiatives and returning significant capital to shareholders. I'd now like to provide an update on our share repurchase activity completed in the quarter. In September, concurrently with a $500,000,000 underwritten secondary offering of Class A common stock by BC Partners, we repurchased approximately 10,200,000 shares of Class A common stock directly from BC Partners for an aggregate repurchase price of $300,000,000 This repurchase transaction allowed us to continue to reduce the ownership position of our largest shareholder and was executed separately from our existing $500,000,000 share repurchase program. Additionally, during the quarter, we repurchased approximately 1,600,000 shares of Class A common stock, spending approximately $42,400,000 under our $500,000,000 share repurchase program. At the end of the quarter, we had approximately $424,800,000 of remaining capacity under the program for future repurchases.
Collectively, the company has repurchased and retired a total of 30,700,000 shares year to date. Our ability to generate increasing levels of profitability and free cash flow will continue to enable us to invest in our business and return meaningful capital to shareholders. We ended the quarter with approximately $508,000,000 in cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities, and we remain debt free with an overall liquidity position of approximately $1,300,000,000 With that, I'd like to turn to our Q4 and updated full year 2024 guidance. We anticipate 4th quarter net sales of between $3,180,000,000 $3,201,000,000 or approximately 13% year over year growth, which reflects the full impact of the 53rd week, and we are narrowing and raising our full year 2024 net sales outlook to be between $11,790,000,000 $11,810,000,000 or approximately 6% year over year growth. This range includes the impact of a 53 week 2024 fiscal year.
And as previously noted, the 53rd week will be fully reflected in the Q4 of 2024. We are raising our full year 2024 adjusted EBITDA margin guidance to a range of 4.6% to 4.8%. The midpoint of our full year adjusted EBITDA margin guidance range indicates approximately 140 basis points of year over year margin expansion and implies approximately 3.4 percent adjusted EBITDA margin for the 4th quarter. Consistent with our comments last quarter pertaining to the quarterly progression of 2024 adjusted EBITDA margin, we expect Q4 adjusted EBITDA margin to decline sequentially due to typical seasonality and the timing of certain investments primarily pertaining to marketing campaigns. Given the results of our previous three quarters, we anticipate 2024 capital expenditures to come in at the low end of our previously stated range of 1.5% to 2% of net sales, and we expect free cash flow conversion to remain above 80% for the full year.
Finally, we expect basic shares outstanding at fiscal 2024 year end to be approximately $415,000,000 This incorporates the nearly 31,000,000 shares that we have repurchased and retired year to date and does not incorporate any potential future share repurchases. In closing, our Q3 results reflect another quarter of strong execution. I want to thank our incredible Chewy team members for their collective efforts as we continue to execute against our strategic priorities to deliver long term profitable growth. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator for questions.
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Our first question today comes from the line of Nathan Fether with Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS). Please go ahead.
Nathan Fether, Analyst, Morgan Stanley: Thanks for the question and congrats on the strong results. Really encouraging to see the continued momentum. Active customer growth continued to accelerate. Can you double click on what you're seeing in overall pen ownership trends and how we should think about the relative contribution to customer growth as compared to some of the idiosyncratic initiatives you've been working on? And then given the expectation for customer growth to improve further in 2025, how should we think about the key puts and takes you're considering for growth in the year?
Thank you.
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Nathan, this is Sumit. I'll start and Dave will jump in wherever he sees appropriate. So in terms of household formation trends, I think you started with that. We continue to see signs of industry normalization. Pricing remains stable.
Inflation continues to move towards a more normalized level. In fact, we saw no benefit of pricing, as we mentioned on the earnings call, as we move through Q3. Regarding pet household formation, of course, there's no single truth the source of truth for this data. Our triangulation continues to tell us that latest adoption and relinquishment trends are both trending in a better direction. We believe year over year adoption growth was in the high single digit to low double digit ranges and relinquishments were down low single digits.
So overall, we observed a return to positive net adoptions in a cycle of Q3 from an external point of view. In terms of let me see, you had another question here, double digit expectation for active customer growth in 25 inputs and takes. So I mean there's a lot going on. Ultimately, we believe, as I mentioned last quarter, the active customer growth that we are driving now 2 times now it's a trend is largely due to our own efforts and the industry continues to normalize in the background, which is, of course, a stabilizing factor that is very good to see. On our side, enhancing on-site and mobile experiences, expanding assortment, performance and CRM strategy and all of that is sort of what's working in conjunction.
As we move into 2025, what has really started to work for us is our focus on connecting the marketing funnel to expanded audiences and driving that funnel exposure is enabling our teams to find both the right level of efficiency as well as the flexibility to move spend up and down the funnel to capture both share of voice and demand. And when we bring them to the site, we are able to convert them effectively with the previous efforts that I've talked about around improvement of site experience, customer choices, assortment, other innovations, etcetera. So our 2025 strategy is very much in line with operating the playbook that we've uncovered and strengthened for ourselves in 2024. Another data point that I just want to draw your attention to more of a recall from last quarter is we've said we have an improved ability to identify and segment customers and target them to drive improved second purchase rates, auto ship sign ups, mobile app engagement, etcetera, etcetera. And so on the background, we've now sort of played this playbook for at least 2 quarters.
We're going to rinse and repeat in Q4 and 2025, strengthening our channels and share performance in the market.
Nathan Fether, Analyst, Morgan Stanley: Great. Thank you.
David Bellinger, Analyst, Mizuho (NYSE:MFG): Thank you, Nate.
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: The next question comes from Curtis Nagel with Bank of America Merrill Lynch (NYSE:BAC). Curtis, please go ahead.
Curtis Nagel, Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Awesome. Thanks very much for taking the question. So I want to focus a bit on the 4Q guidance and maybe specifically on the comments in terms of the advertising and marketing spend. Just in terms of context, at the high end of the range, around 7% for the year, it implies like a really big dollar increase, right, certainly relative to the other quarters, like no relative leverage from the extra week. So I guess just kind of digging into that, what does the spend pertain to?
It looks to me it's like implied like $40,000,000 to $50,000,000 year over year. Is that correct? And are there specific products or customers you're targeting? Is it one time? Just kind of dig into that and kind of how we should specifically think about that increase and whether you're just it's quite some conservatism or not?
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: Good morning. Thanks for the question. I'll take this one and then Sumit, if you want to build upon any of it, let me know. I'll build upon Sumit's comments about active customers. So in the Q3, when you think about the elements that go into gross additions, you've got new customers added, you've got reactivations and then of course you have churn.
And we actually saw improvement across all three of those metrics in the Q3 on a year over year basis. And so we're entering the 4th quarter with some momentum on the activities that we're driving across those three elements I mentioned. We're entering the 4th quarter with the continuation of what we believe is a normalizing industry as we previously referenced with moderating inflation as well as the shelter data that we've mentioned previously as well, which has continued in the Q3. So with that momentum going into the Q4, there's a couple of elements to consider. Number 1, you typically have a little bit higher elevated advertising and marketing in the Q4 given the holiday season as well as the timing of certain campaigns.
And then building on that, we see an opportunity in the industry in the Q4 where we believe that we want to invest and lean into the Q4 such that we can continue to build on what we believe is some improvement in the industry and then continue that, of course, into 2025. So net net, you take a step back, you think about what we've told you for the year in terms of our guidance, active customer growth, flat to down in the first half, flat to up in the second half, ending flat. We've moved up that guidance. We've pulled in that guidance and we see an opportunity to invest in the Q4 in advertising and marketing and we're doing that. For the full year, we'll be at the high end of the 6% to 7% range.
And as you mentioned, to get to the high end of that 6% to 7% range for the year, that would imply being above 7%, specifically for the Q4. Suneet?
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Yes. Kurt, I would just like to add more of a reminder on the conversations that we've had on this call in the past, which is we spend based on the ROI and the LTV potential that we're seeing in the current cohort of customers that we pick up from market and the existing customer base that we're developing share of wallet on. So in the past, as you know, we've swung the marketing spend all the way to the left, down 70, 80 basis points from our average. And now we're picking that back up. Why didn't we spend in the past and why are we spending now?
Well, because we didn't see the ROI in the past and we are now. The cohorts that we're acquiring, the efficiencies that we're gaining based on the full funnel audience expansions that I talked about are really compelling and behooves us to be able to invest to continue this trend as well as solidify growth for year 2025 beyond. If you kind of see let me share some of the data points that we're seeing. The our orientation is 3 fourths of the customers that we're picking up had at least 1 SKU from repeatable category. And that's an encouraging trend because it promotes auto ship growth and builds the NARE cake that then sort of compels and spins the flywheel in a more efficient manner.
We're seeing these new customers reorder rates and settlement rates improving as our engagements with these consumable type categories. When you look at year to date 24 new customer cohorts, in terms of year over year reorder rates, in the first few periods of post acquisition, we're running roughly 300 to 500 basis points higher than the T3 months averages. So these are just some data points on the background that allows us to sort of study and increase or decrease the values of propensity in a modeling and therefore go out and invest if we see the returns. That's what we're doing right now.
Curtis Nagel, Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Okay. And then just that makes total sense. Just a quick follow-up. The points you made, Anthony, Nate's question on the adoptions were really interesting. I think you said up on a grocery basis high, singles to low double, relinquishments down low singles.
So on that, a pretty good number. How did that compare to 2Q? Just trying to sort of size it in terms of the relative improvement.
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: It's positive by I think the margins extended by lowtomidsingledigitranges relative to Q2.
Curtis Nagel, Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Lowtomidsingledigit. Okay, awesome. Appreciate it. Thank you.
Mark Mahaney, Analyst, Evercore ISI: Sure.
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: The next question comes from Doug Anmuth with JPMorgan (NYSE:JPM). Please go ahead.
Doug Anmuth, Analyst, JPMorgan: Great. Thanks for taking questions. 2, if I could. First, just on vet clinics, looks like you're on track to the 8 locations by year end. Can you talk more about what you've learned this year and how that informs your 2025 expansion plans and the investments that may be required then?
And then, Sumit, if you could also perhaps give us an update on automation, just kind of how you're tracking relative to the 70% to 80% kind of long term percentage of volume that you've talked about over time? Thanks.
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: Yes. So with respect to the vet clinics, as we talked about, we were planning to roll out 4 to 8 vet clinics this year. We're going to be at the high end of that range. The positive trends that we've seen on vet clinics have continued. Some of those positive metrics has been the operational utilization of those clinics.
It's been high. The customer engagement from those clinics and the corresponding customer service levels have been high. The net promoter kind of score around those clinics and the service level high. The new customer cross category penetration, new customers to Chewy that come in through vet clinics and then their propensity to go to chewy.com and then shop online at chewy.com also high. In fact, more than half of those new customers consistent with last quarter, actually improvement from last quarter are leaving the vet clinic, new customer to Chewy and then going online and also shopping at chewy.com.
So all the metrics across the vet clinics trending positive. I'll leave the 2025 guidance for 2025. But I would just tell you that we've been very encouraged by our engagement with customers. We're encouraged by the size of the TAM, roughly $25,000,000,000 that we've opened up through these vet clinics and we're excited about continuing to grow our presence in this space. Sumit, anything that you would build on there?
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: On the automation, no, that's perfect. Thank you. On the automation side, Doug, we continue to trend upwards. A little less than half of our volume is now shipping through our 2 gs fulfillment centers and touching some sort of automation in the network. And that combined with the improved supply chain tooling that we have is allowing us to execute through a really strong peak.
And we continue to gain those efficiencies and flow through the bottom line as you can see in the OpEx scaling that they've talked about in the on the script. Happy to dive deeper in any area if you like.
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: And just to build on that comment and using some data points from the Q3, given the efficiencies that you've mentioned, we had an improvement on the variable fulfillment side. We had improvement on the fixed fulfillment side. In other words, we got more fixed cost absorption through those fulfillment centers. And orders every quarter this year year over year, so Q1, Q2, Q3 on a year over year basis, orders are up across all those quarters and in total year to date. In fact, we had our highest order period during this most recent peak holiday peak cycle over the last week or so.
And so the team is executing very well and the automation that's been referenced here is a big that both in terms of output as well as
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: efficiency and productivity. Did you have
Mark Mahaney, Analyst, Evercore ISI: a follow-up, Doug? That's great. Thank you both. Appreciate it.
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: No, all good. Thank you. Thanks.
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: The next question comes from David Bellinger with Mizuho. David, please go ahead.
David Bellinger, Analyst, Mizuho: Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question. First one, I wanted to revisit the app, which I think you mentioned last quarter was around 20% of revenues. Is there any update on how quickly that percentage could ramp up? How fast can we get to 30% or 40%?
And then secondly is how should we think about the P and L impact of that? Can you simply bypass marketing spend and sort of get more leverage on the ad expense line by getting more volumes through your app?
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: David, so we're this is a priority for us and we are essentially ramping up our efforts very quickly to be able to push this volume. I would consider this not a few quarters of effort, but perhaps a couple of years of efforts to get to sort of market standard rates of above 40%, 45% of our so doubling kind of the volume that is moving through the app. But the progress that we are making on a quarter over quarter basis is something that we like. And of course, yes, we like it for the fact that it's a closed loop ecosystem. It allows us to collect 1P data, market on a 1P basis, take advantage of the direct traffic, stay in touch with customers who are really more engaged and capitalize on the trends that we see in the app, which are highly encouraging from an overall conversion of revenue into profitability point of view.
For example, auto ship engagement rates are higher in the app, AOVs are higher in the app, retention rates in apps are several 100 basis points higher than customers who engage with us over the web or desktop. The cross category attach rate that we see go through the app is higher. So all in all, it's just not only a more productive experience, it's also more enjoyable and personalized experience that allows us to build a quality of relationship that we believe will be even stronger alongside the P and L benefits that come with it. We'll size the benefit side in the middle of 2025. So I'm taking that question to note and we'll come back in 2025 and size it up.
David Bellinger, Analyst, Mizuho: Right. Perfect. We'll come back on that one. And then just a follow-up. In your 10 Q filing, it looked like there was some new language around a project on the finance IT side, not meaningful from a capital investment perspective.
But can you elaborate on the SG and A portion? How much will that detract in 2025? And is there any deficiencies within the system that this is correcting?
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: No. No, there are no deficiencies in the system that this is correcting. This is new capability for us. So I think is you should think about this as the migration of some of our planning engines to a more comprehensive online suite. And by being able to do that, which at no material impact really to the P and L, by being able to do that, we're able get more granularity with respect to all of our operations.
And we're also going to be able to apply some AI to those same operations to get some automated intelligence and reporting out of the system in a more comprehensive way.
David Bellinger, Analyst, Mizuho: Perfect. Thank you both.
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Thanks David.
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: The next question comes from Steven Zaccone with Citigroup (NYSE:C). Steven, please go ahead.
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: Hi, good morning. Thanks very much for taking my question. First question I had was just on pricing. Sumit, you said there was no benefit from pricing in the Q3. How do you see that playing out in 4Q?
And then any preliminary views on 2025? It seems like the industry overall has been flattish for some time. So your thoughts on maybe what looks like next year would be helpful. Hi, Steve. This is David.
I'll take this one and then Sumit, if you want to build on it, chime in. With respect to pricing in Q3, really no material benefit nor detriment in the Q3 with respect to pricing. We had goodness on the gross margin line largely driven by sponsored ads and product mix. And then of course that flowed all the way through the P and L ultimately to give us a pretty sizable EBITDA beat for the quarter on a year over year basis, roughly half driven by gross margin and half driven by leverage through the remainder of the P and L, but really no impact either way from pricing. With respect to Q4, you typically do have some pricing and discounting in the Q4 related to the holiday season.
We fully baked that into our guidance for the Q4. But again, no material kind of impact from inflation nor deflation, which the inflation piece is obviously we had seen in prior years and in prior periods, but really no meaningful impact. Really throughout 2024, we had a little bit in the Q1. Q2 moderated significantly. Q3 relatively non existent.
Q4 expecting the same other than the traditional seasonality. And that's how we're kind of expecting rolling into 2025, we're expecting those trends to largely continue.
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Yes. The overall environment, Stephen, the market remains very rational with, of course, some seasonal spikes that you would expect as we played through the Cyber Week last week, which was a very good week for us. If you remember our comments from the beginning of this year, the composition of revenue has shifted from part pricing, part unit growth or structural growth coming into Q1 of this year to much more weighted towards structural growth as we exit this year. We are not seeing deflation happen in the category. The category that, of course, is more elastic right now as we move to Q4, particularly cyber, is more on the hard goods and discretionary side, but you would expect that as the industry normalizes and we push volumes through this seasonal holiday peak season.
But outside of that, you should expect 25%. If you recall our long term growth algorithm, the revenue is a function of active customer growth in the low to mid single digit and netback growth in the mid to high single digit. And there's a benefit of roughly 2% to 2.5% of pricing built in when the industry normalizes. And that long term growth at Goratam, we expect, will come true as the industry continues to normalize and we move out of 2024 into 2025 and 2026.
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: Okay. That's very helpful. The follow-up I had is just in the context of raising the customer count outlook and then the commentary about that strengthening in 2025, how much of that is driven by the industry data points getting a little bit better, like you mentioned pet adoptions, versus your own idiosyncratic efforts, talking about marketing and stuff of that nature?
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Yes. It's hard to put a ratio on it, but we believe a majority of this change that we have seen is driven by internal efforts. And so we are bullish that we should get an incremental tailwind when the industry fully normalizes. Currently, we are not taking that into account because we'd like to be we'd like that to sit on top. And so presently, our comments around us growing active customer is on the back of efforts that we are internally driving and seeing success with.
Nathan Fether, Analyst, Morgan Stanley: Very helpful. Thanks for the questions.
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: The next question comes from rupesh Parikh with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
David Bellinger, Analyst, Mizuho: Good morning and thanks for taking my question. Also congrats on this quarter. So just going back to the hard goods category, we'd love to get more color in terms of what you saw during the quarter expectations going forward. And then from a tariff perspective, does any exposure on the tariff front? Thank you.
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Sure. I'll take the first part. Dave will chime in on the second one. So we're as you can see, I mean, hard goods continues to improve and it did in Q3 as well. And so on the backdrop, it's really good to kind of recognize the industry normalizing.
We are viewing the steady improvement in hardwood's performance as a result of both our efforts that I've talked about and indicative of that industry stabilization. Specific to our efforts, it includes expanding assortment across several merged classes. We've been very focused on bringing in high value added assortment onto the platform and our suppliers and vendors are very excited to partner with us there. We're focused on upgrading site experience to improve padding, discovery and conversion and we are marrying that up with thoughtful campaign execution. And so these efforts, so we believe the work done by our teams is paying off.
And I also want to note that we will only fully benefit from this when we start to see a more fulsome recovery in discretionary purchasing. But we're happy with the results so far.
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: And building on that, look, we're excited about hard goods growing 2 quarters in a row now on a year over year basis. So both second quarter this year and Q3 of this year have now grown on a year over year basis. We're pretty excited about that growth. And we're also excited about the early trends that we've seen here in Q4. So don't want to guide by a product category, but certainly we feel good about hard goods where we stand today in the Q4.
With respect to the tariff question that you mentioned, we have a very small reliance and presence on China specifically. We do source some hard goods from China primarily related to some of our hard goods. But the vast, vast majority of our net sales at Chewy are pretty much domestically sourced. So our reliance on the region and our the impact of any potential tariffs relatively low on Chewy.
David Bellinger, Analyst, Mizuho: Great. Thank you. I'll pass it along.
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: The next question comes from Mark Mahaney with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead, Mark.
Mark Mahaney, Analyst, Evercore ISI: Thanks. Two questions, please. So this active customer growth, can you tell how much of that is from reactivated customers, customers you've had in the who churned off for whatever reasons and have come back? And if so, any color on what those reasons are? And then secondly, it sounds like competitive intensity is relatively moderate given your comments on pricing.
But other than pricing, is there anything else you're seeing notable in the competitive landscape? Thank you.
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Hi, Mark. A greater number of customers were from net new customers that we acquired relative to the reactivated customers that we count towards gross adds. The other encouraging factor that we saw this time was the cohort stabilization that we've been talking about. So churn stabilized as we would expect, which was Dave's earlier comment on all three indicators were positive, net new reactivated as well as lower churn. But between the gross add, the portion of net new customers on an absolute basis absolutely exceeded reactivation.
So we were happy to see that, of course, and we would want that. And then if you combine that with some of the results that I shared around how these cohorts are engaging in terms of second purchase rates, etcetera, that is encouraging to see. On the retention side, we're tracking settled orders, which is a metric that we developed as we came out of the COVID time frame. So to be really able to see turnover settlement rates so that we're not calling early success or early wins on these customer cohorts. And we're seeing customers' settlement rates also improve from cohorts that we've acquired from P5 of this year and before that.
So all encouraging signs. Competitive intensity, you're right, it seems relatively moderate, pricing environment is rational. And overall, we're playing a pretty strong playbook, continuing to differentiate ourselves both in terms of the basics of the category around price and convenience and assortment, but also in bringing new innovations to life. Super excited about Chewy Plus, super excited about the app initiative. Canada is ramping well.
Sponsored ads are ramping well. So nothing else to report.
Mark Mahaney, Analyst, Evercore ISI: Okay. Thank you, Sumit.
Curtis Nagel, Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch: Sure.
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: The next question comes from Shweta Gajuria with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Shweta Gajuria, Analyst, Wolfe Research: Thank you so much for taking my questions. Let me try 2, please. One is, could you please talk to some of the marketing channels that are working really well for you were a positive surprise or have been a positive surprise for you over the past couple of quarters as you lean into different channels and seeing better returns? That's one. And then second is, could you please talk about trends you saw quarter to date, so through October, November, December?
And how the trend did versus your internal expectations? Thanks a lot.
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Sure. So, I won't fully satisfy your curiosity on specific marketing channels working for us. I would reorient us back to the comment I made at the start of the call, which if you were trying to draw, hey, what's different, I would focus on the comment around really connecting the marketing funnel to expanded audiences and driving that full funnel exposure. That has been the most significant change that we've made over the last few quarters. Combine that with our ability to target those customers when they arrive on our platforms and drive to better conversion, I believe is a powerful recipe, which we are continuing to perfect.
So more room to go there, but we're excited about what we are seeing so far. So I would likely just stick with that. Any color on quarter to date trends? We're happy with quarter to date performance. We just wrapped up our cyber week and by all measure of the word, I would classify peak holiday event performance to be successful.
We had a thoughtful and curated plan comprised of great assortment, offers, experience and marketing strategy and customers in return engaged robustly with visits and spending exceeding our expectations, driving some of the biggest net sales there in Chewy history. So we're and as you heard from Dave in the prepared remarks, we're increasing our net sales guidance range for the year. And while we did not specifically call out the last few weeks that we've played through, this increase is a result of the strengths that we are currently seeing in the engine. Anything to add to
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: that? Yes. And if I could build on that with a few softer points here that don't necessarily show up in the P and L, But they certainly give us a good brand umbrella. Number 1, Chewy Claws. I'll call that out, especially this time of year.
And it's a program where pets submit their Santa wish list and it's gotten quite a bit of traction in prior years. It's gotten even more traction this year. It's not part of a paid marketing program, but it is a program that's organic and it's trending and it's a program that when people associate pets, pet parents, the humanization of pets, in an emotive category like this, it is an organic trend that gets a lot of play this time of year and it's a program that we love to run. And then finally, I'd be remiss if I didn't just point out the Wow! Experience that our customer service provides every day and the brand uplift and emotive attachment to Chewy that that type of program does.
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Shweta, if the CFO is talking about it, the Chewy class program must really be working there.
Shweta Gajuria, Analyst, Wolfe Research: Thank you, Sumit. Thanks, Dave.
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: Thanks.
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: We have time for one more question. And so our final question today comes from Anna Andreeva with Piper Sandler. Anna, please go ahead.
Anna Andreeva, Analyst, Piper Sandler: Great. Thanks so much. Happy to have made it and congrats, nice results. Two questions from us. I wanted to follow-up on Hardgoods.
Sameet, just remind us what's the size of your own brands business within that? Are you starting to see growth there? And should that continue into next year? And is own brands still a higher margin category for Chewy? And secondly, I guess to Dave, FC Automation has been a pretty big story here and you quantified that benefit in the 10 Q to OpEx.
Can you remind us how many FCs are automated now? What's the benefit and OpEx savings you see per FC? And how many do you still have to automate ahead into 2025 or beyond? Thank you so much.
David Reeder, CFO, Chewy: Sure. Let me start perhaps with hard goods. And again, if you go into the 10 Q, you'll see that we report on hard goods. As I mentioned earlier, after several kind of quarters where we had experienced decline in the past, we have had 2 consecutive quarters now with growth in hard goods year over year. So the second quarter, we grew year over year.
The Q3, we've grown year over year again. And in fact, we've grown faster than we did in the second quarter. And while we don't guide by some product line or category, We did we have experienced some good trends in hardgoods here in the Q4. So we're quite pleased from that perspective. With regards to our own private brands either within hardgoods or other categories, we don't comment extensively on that.
I would say in general, private brands for us has been stable. We have several initiatives that where we are expanding assortment across both consumables as well as hard goods. Most of those initiatives are future benefits and not really reflected in the P and L that we've produced for Q3 or that we're guiding for Q4. So those benefits are yet to come. But hard goods in general up 2 consecutive quarters trending well for Q4.
And then private brands within hard goods continuing to improve assortment and selection. Sumit?
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: I would just say that even though the relative stability is absolutely right, if you recall, this is an area of opportunity that we recognize as a strategic pillar. We want to get net sales penetration up to mid teens level. And at that scale, we expect private brands to contribute up to 500 basis points of higher gross margin to the core business. For hard goods, we've mentioned in the past that penetration for our private brands is in the mid teens to high teens level. It fluctuates that range across the year, and we are relatively stable in that penetration.
In terms of automation, 6 fulfillment centers are currently automated. What I would recall what I would draw your attention to is at Capital Markets Day, we said we can continue to automate across our network and reach or touch over 70% of volume in one way, shape or form to push through these improved processes. And if you look at just the FC itself, we have said it drives improvement
Curtis Nagel, Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch: to
Sumit Singh, CEO, Chewy: the tune of up to 50% in productivity, 30% in volume per square foot and up to 60% improvements in ergonomics and safety. And those results are pretty true even now.
Emily, Call Coordinator, Chewy: Those are all the questions we have time for today. And so this concludes today's call. Thank you, everyone, for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.
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