Ouster, Inc. (NYSE: OUST), a provider of high-resolution digital lidar sensors, reported a record revenue of $26 million for the first quarter of 2024, marking a significant 51% year-over-year growth. The company's non-GAAP gross margin also reached an all-time high of 36%.
During the earnings call, Ouster executives outlined the company's strategy and achievements, including the expansion of its smart infrastructure and industrial verticals, and a focus on becoming an autonomy systems provider. With the automotive industry as a major vertical, Ouster is developing DF sensors tailored to long-term market needs and is confident in its path to profitability.
Key Takeaways
- Ouster reported a record $26 million in revenue for Q1 2024, a 51% increase year-over-year.
- Non-GAAP gross margin reached a historic high of 36%.
- The company shipped a record 4,500 sensors during the quarter.
- Ouster aims to maintain operating expenses at or below Q3 2023 levels.
- Q2 2024 revenue is projected to be between $26 million and $28 million, approximately 40% YoY growth.
- Ouster's long-term financial framework targets 30% to 50% YoY revenue growth and 35% to 40% gross margin.
Company Outlook
- Ouster expects Q2 2024 revenue to be in the range of $26 million to $28 million.
- The company is focused on capturing the multibillion-dollar autonomy solutions market with products like REV7 sensors and Gemini and Blue City software solutions.
- Ouster is committed to a financial framework aiming for consistent year-over-year revenue growth and healthy gross margins while controlling operating expenses.
Bearish Highlights
- Executives acknowledged that production timelines in the automotive industry can be uncertain and have been pushed out.
Bullish Highlights
- Ouster has major customers in the automotive sector, including robotaxi and robotrucking, which have been purchasing sensors for years.
- Advancements in AI are enhancing Ouster's business across all sensor modalities.
- The company had a record quarter in the automotive vertical in Q1 2024.
- Positive customer feedback on software solutions and plans for continued investment in software development.
- Ouster's strategy involves expanding into new markets like smart infrastructure and traffic control solutions.
Misses
- There were no specific misses discussed in the earnings call summary provided.
Q&A highlights
- Ouster is aiming to establish itself as an autonomy systems provider, not just a hardware and software provider.
- The company is developing DF sensors for the automotive market, focusing on long-term market requirements.
- Executives expressed confidence in their team's execution and the company's path to profitability, despite the extended timelines for automotive production.
In conclusion, Ouster's Q1 2024 earnings call reflected a company on the rise, with record revenues and gross margins indicating a strong market position. The company's strategic focus on both hardware and software solutions, its expansion into new markets, and its commitment to long-term financial goals suggest a confident outlook for future growth. Despite the challenges in automotive production timelines, Ouster remains optimistic about its role in the evolving autonomy solutions market.
InvestingPro Insights
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Full transcript - Colonnade Acquisition (OUST) Q1 2024:
Operator: Hello, and welcome to Ouster's First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] The call today is being recorded, and a replay of the call will be available on the Ouster Investor Relations website in hour after the completion of this call. I'd now like to turn the conference over to Chen Geng, VP of Strategic Finance and Treasurer. Please go ahead.
Chen Geng: Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our first quarter 2024 earnings call. I am joined today by Ouster's Chief Executive Officer, Angus Pacala; and Chief Financial Officer, Mark Weinswig. Before we begin the prepared remarks, we would like to remind you that earlier today Ouster issued a press release announcing its first quarter 2024 results. An investor presentation was published and is available on the Investor Relations section of Ouster's website. Today's earnings call and press release reflect management's views as of today only and will include statements related to our business and financial outlook that are forward-looking statements under the federal securities laws. Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or implied by these forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with our business. For a discussion of the material risks and other important factors that could impact our actual results, please refer to the company's SEC filings and today's press release, both of which can be found on our Investor Relations website. Any forward-looking statements that we make on this call are based on assumptions as of today and, other than as may be required by law, we undertake no obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events. Information discussed on this call concerning Ouster's industry, competitive position and the markets in which it operates is based on information from independent industry and research organizations, other third-party sources and management estimates, which are derived from publicly available information released by independent industry analysts and other third-party sources, as well as data from Ouster's internal research and are based on reasonable assumptions and computations made upon reviewing such data and its experience in and knowledge of such industry and markets. By definition, assumptions are subject to uncertainty and risks, which could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in the estimates. During this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. These non-GAAP financial measures should be considered as a supplement to and not a substitute for measures prepared in accordance with GAAP. For a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures discussed during this call to the most directly comparable GAAP measures, please refer to today's press release. I would now like to turn the call over to Angus.
Angus Pacala: Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'll start with a brief recap of the quarter, overview of the market, and update on our strategic priorities. Mark will cover our results in more detail before I close with some final thoughts. In the first quarter, we continued to build upon the positive operational momentum that we generated throughout 2023. We reported record revenues of $26 million, which was at the high end of our guidance range. This represents growth of 51% year-over-year, and our revenues exceeded an annualized run rate of $100 million for the first time in Ouster's history. Our customers' continued adoption of REV7 sensors, combined with our operational leverage, drove non-GAAP gross margin expansion to 36%, which represents our highest level to date. During the quarter, we closed on numerous large deals in our smart infrastructure and industrial verticals. Within smart infrastructure, we continued to extend our collaboration with a leading global logistics company to install additional REV7 sensors and Ouster Gemini at their distribution yards. We see potential for further expansion as we are currently deploying our solutions on only 5% of their global footprint. Moreover, we estimate that this single customer represents only a fraction of the market opportunities for this use case. Last year alone, 10 of the largest retail and logistics companies collectively invested nearly $50 billion in capital expenditures. Our Gemini solution is designed to offer a myriad of benefits, such as reducing operating costs, boosting operating efficiency, fortifying perimeter security, enhancing workplace safety, and alleviating labor constraints. We believe that these compelling value propositions will help secure an increasing portion of this spend. The industrial vertical is a perfect example of our belief that ultimately everything that moves will become autonomous. During the first quarter, we landed million-dollar deals to bring REV7 to agriculture and ports applications. Within agriculture, we see the potential for agricultural automation to become one of our largest end markets. Based on industry data, there are over 2 million tractors sold each year. Assuming two sensors per vehicle, each 1% penetration rate represents 40,000 sensors, or nearly triple the amount of sensors we sold during 2023. Our solutions also bring a convincing value proposition to ports around the world. Throughput in ports globally surpassed 850 million containers in 2023. Our solutions can enable increased efficiency in tasks such as container positioning, tracking, collision avoidance, and twist lock detection. By saving one second per container, we estimate that ports can move an additional 20 million units per year. At an average terminal handling charge of $500 per container, this represents $10 billion of incremental revenue for the port industry. Governments worldwide are investing in their infrastructure, and the U.S. alone has committed to spending over $20 billion on U.S. port infrastructure over the next five years. We feel well-positioned to capitalize on this investment. Turning to our strategic business priorities for 2024, our first priority is to expand software and grow the installed base. During the first quarter, Ouster trained a new deep learning perception model that advances our ambition to become a world leader in lidar powered perception solutions. With enhanced operating performance, our Gemini and Blue City customers now benefit from improvements to object detection at longer distances and multiple object tracking accuracy. We continue to expand Ouster Gemini and Blue City deployments and close millions in software-attached sales in the first quarter. Ouster collaborated with a recipient of the U.S. Department of Transportation's, SMART Grant to empower pedestrian safety improvements, near-miss detection, traffic counting, and traffic flow analytics. Compared to competing solutions, Ouster provides superior all-weather performance, privacy protection, and the ability to accurately detect and classify multiple types of road users. With over 300,000 signalized intersections in the U.S. alone, we view the market for intelligent transportation systems as a tremendous future growth opportunity. Our SMART infrastructure team also recently attended major industry events, including the United States' largest security trade show. There were a few anecdotes that I'd like to share. First, one of the world's largest retailers noted that Ouster was one of the true gems of the show. While one of the largest security integrators in North America said Ouster was the most interesting technology he had seen in 20 years. This positive feedback reinforces our conviction that lidar is poised to become the preeminent technology for the next generation of SMART infrastructure applications. Turning to hardware technology, Ouster continued to execute on its product roadmap in the first quarter. We introduced new firmware designed to enhance the performance capabilities of our REV7 sensors and coincides with heightened interest for AI and robotics customers. Delivered over the air, the update supports improved accuracy and zero minimum range and will enable operations in tighter spaces and closer proximity to other objects. Our next generation L4 custom silicon chip is taped out and is expected to bring significant improvements in performance, reliability, and manufacturability, along with safety certifications to the OS sensor family. We continue to develop our automotive-grade custom silicon and plan to integrate the Chronos chip into our final form factor, solid-state digital flash or DF sensors in the next year. DF represents a first-of-its-kind truly solid-state, compact, affordable, and performant family of automotive-grade lidar sensors. Finally, we progressed on our long-term financial framework during the first quarter. Our first quarter revenue growth of 51% and margin expansion to 29% aligned well with the parameters we had laid out. While we are pleased that our GAAP operating expenses of $33 million were 14% lower than the third quarter of 2023, we do expect our GAAP operating expenses to fluctuate quarter-to-quarter, primarily due to changes in non-cash stock-based compensation expenses and other items. We continue to look for further opportunities to optimize our cost structure and reduce our cash burn. The first quarter marked strong operating results and progress on all three of our strategic business objectives. I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, Mark Weinswig to provide more context on our financial results for the first quarter.
Mark Weinswig: Thank you, Angus, and good afternoon, everyone. In the first quarter, we recognized a record $25.9 million in revenue, a 51% increase over the first quarter of 2023, and a 6% increase over the fourth quarter of 2023. We also shipped a record 4,500 sensors in the quarter. Overall, we saw strong revenue contributions from each of our four verticals, automotive, industrial, robotics, and smart infrastructure. The robotics vertical was the largest contributor to revenue and more than doubled on a year-over-year basis, followed by automotive, which generated the highest quarterly revenue in our history. This quarter illustrates the benefits of our strong customer and market diversity, which provides us with the opportunity to capitalize on multiple emerging industry trends. GAAP gross margin improved to 29% from negative 2% in the first quarter of 2023 and increased 700 basis points from 22% in the prior quarter. Non-GAAP gross margin improved to 36% in the first quarter and reached the highest levels in Ouster's history. This marks our fourth consecutive quarter with higher GAAP and non-GAAP gross margin. The margin expansion over the past year reflects the operating leverage inherent in our business model, along with our premium-performing REV7 sensors. Over the past year, we have lowered our cost structure as we transition manufacturing to contract manufacturing partners in Thailand and streamlined our internal processes. These actions have positioned Ouster to be a low-cost provider of high-performance sensors. GAAP operating expenses of $33 million were lowered by 81% year-over-year and 22% sequentially. We have continued to make strides on reducing our cost structure while substantially growing revenues. We are carefully managing our cost structure while at the same time continuing to invest in new products and technologies to drive future growth avenues. Our balance sheet remains strong with cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash, and short-term investments of $189 million at March 31. This cash balance includes approximately $4 million raised via our ATM during the first quarter, reflecting our strategy to maintain a strong balance sheet to help fund our future growth. Since Q1 of 2023, we have significantly reduced our operating cash burn. As the lidar industry transitions into its next phase of growth, we intend to maintain our financial position as a point of differentiation. We believe our customers are placing increased emphasis on their partners' balance sheets. Moving to our guidance for the second quarter of 2024, we expect to achieve between $26 million and $28 million of revenue. At the midpoint of the range, this represents approximately 40% year-over-year revenue growth. Now with that, I'll turn the call back over to Angus.
Angus Pacala: Thanks, Mark. I'm proud of the notable accomplishments Ouster achieved during the first quarter. Our revenues exceeded an annualized run rate of $100 million for the first time. We shipped a record 4,500 sensors, and we reported the highest non-GAAP gross margin in Ouster history. We also marked the one-year anniversary of our merger with Velodyne. Compared to the first quarter of 2023, we have grown our revenues by 51% and expanded our gross margin by over 3,000 basis points. We are the only publicly traded lidar company over the past year to deliver four straight quarters of sequential revenue growth, margin expansion, and lower cash burn. Over the past year, our focused operational execution combined with a leading product portfolio has established us as one of the strongest Western lidar companies in the industry. This positions us well for the substantial opportunity ahead of us, as we are firm believers that everything that moves in the future will be robotic. The adoption of lidar among our customers and across industries remains in its infancy, and we are determined to capture the multibillion-dollar market for a global ecosystem of autonomy solutions. With our REV7 sensors and Gemini and Blue City software solutions, Ouster is creating the critical technologies at the core of autonomy. 2024 is off to a positive start, and I'm confident that our persistent execution will continue to set Ouster apart from the rest of the industry. With that, I'd like to open it for Q&A.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] We'll take the first question from Madison De Paola, Rosenblatt.
Madison De Paola: Hi. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats on the great results this quarter. So, I just was wondering, did you have any 10% customers in Q1, and do you expect that over time there will be one or more 10% customers?
Angus Pacala: Well, thank you for the question. And this quarter, we did have one 10% customer. We have continued to see 10% customers come and go during different quarters based on our customers' ramp up from the commercial perspective. Our customers continue to go through this stage of, obviously early trials into pilot, into production. And as we see more and more customers move into production, we do expect that those customers that are 10% -- at a 10% level will continue to increase over time.
Madison De Paola: Okay. Yes, great. Thanks for taking my question.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] We'll go next to Shadi Mitwalli, Craig-Hallum.
Shadi Mitwalli: Hey, this is Shadi Mitwally on for Richard Shannon. Congrats on another solid quarter, guys. My first question is on revenue growth. In Q1, revenues grew 51%, and Q2 is guided for a growth of 40% year-over-year. So, I was just wondering if Ouster can give us some clarification on if this 40% to 50% revenue growth range is expected for 2024?
Mark Weinswig: Yes, thanks for the question, Shadi. So, we're really focused on delivering on the long-term financial framework that provides a path of profitability for Ouster. And that spells out a 30% to 50% year-over-year revenue growth, a 35% to 40% gross margin, and an OpEx goal of keeping things flat or below Q3 2023 levels. And so, that's very much what we're committed to. And as you can see, we're definitely tracking to those metrics in Q1 and in the mid-range of guidance to those metrics in Q2. So, definitely happy about the progress to-date and committed to that long-term model ultimately ending in profitability.
Shadi Mitwalli: Great. Thanks for the color on that. And then just have a follow-up on OpEx. R&D this quarter was lower than usual and SG&A higher than usual. So, I was just wondering if these are the new levels or just some typical seasonality going on in OpEx?
Mark Weinswig: Yes. So, OpEx in the first quarter is always just a little bit unusual. As you probably know, FICA and a lot of these taxes and 401K items do get reset in the first quarter. In addition, we do see some of the fees that relate to year-end audit-related insurance. Those kind of come in at the end of the fourth quarter, which causes fourth quarter typically to be --- sorry, first quarter to be a little bit higher than the prior quarter. We do expect, going back to Angus' remarks, to continue to see our OpEx be flat to down from where we had guided from our financial framework, which was the third quarter of 2023. We've made really good progress over the last couple of quarters, almost better than expected. And we continue to really focus hard in terms of what we can do to bring down our cost structure on an overall basis.
Angus Pacala: Yes. And one thing I just add to the R&D spend portion of the OpEx, we're in two of our strategic priorities this year are based around product roadmap, the software solutions, and then the digital ladder hardware as the core of our business. But our business is driven ultimately by silicon development. The chips that go into our sensors drive our product roadmap. And the costs associated with those chips can be lumpy. A chip tape out can fall in a single quarter and then causing a rise in R&D and then go back to a more normal level. So that's where you might see some of the kind of inconsistency quarter-to-quarter, specifically in R&D spend.
Shadi Mitwalli: Awesome. Thanks for the call on that, and congrats on another historic quarter.
Operator: We'll take the next question from Itay Michaeli, Citi.
Itay Michaeli: Great. Thanks. Hi, everyone. Can you hear me?
Angus Pacala: Sorry, Itay, you're kind of coming in and out.
Itay Michaeli: Hope you can hear me now. Just a two follow-ups for me. First, going back to the revenue growth for the full year, given the momentum at the Angus you spoke about at the beginning of the call, just curious if there's like a bias to the lower high end of the 30%, 50% range for this year. And then second, maybe for Mark, the cash use this quarter, I think about $7 million, maybe 13 extra working capital inflow. Is that how we should be thinking about kind of quarterly cash use over the next couple of quarters?
Angus Pacala: Yes, I'll take the first question. So we're very much committed to the 30% to 50% range and for the long term model there are many avenues that bring us to profitability within that framework. And you have to understand that one of the biggest -- and we have a lot of tailwinds that are helping buoy our business. And lidar is a predominant sensing modality across all of the future projects, most of the future projects that we're working on across our industries. But there are also challenges with our customers adopting the technology at a rapid pace. That's one of the biggest kind of headwinds to the business is just the adoption pace of lidar. And it's something that we continue to push on each and every day to make it easier for this technology to be adopted at a rate that pushes us into the high end of the framework. But right now, so yes, we have tailwinds, but also headwinds to the business that we have to counter and that's where the work is still to be done. So ultimately, the 30% to 50% is something that we feel comfortable with and expect to track towards.
Mark Weinswig: And on the cash usage, this quarter, the Ouster team really did a great job. We saw lower inventory, better AR, lower DSOs, a little bit of an increase in our accounts payable, which led to some significant working capital improvements. While I'd love to see those kind of going forward, sometimes those are one time in nature, but we do expect that we will continue to drive down our inventory levels over time. And in the second quarter, just as a quick FII, we will have a $4 million fee or settlement associated with a previous litigation that we had that we had taken the charge for in the fourth quarter. So there will be a little bit of cash usage from that, but otherwise, like you said, significant improvements in our overall cash flow from operations over the last year.
Itay Michaeli: Terrific. Very helpful. If I could sneak one last one in. I think that the incremental margin on gross margins sequentially this quarter was something like 57%. Is that kind of level sustainable here going forward as we think about continued revenue growth from here?
Mark Weinswig: So, on a non-GAAP basis, our gross margins this quarter were 36%. We were very happy by that performance. If we look at where we were a year ago, 11 percentage points higher than where we were a year ago. In terms of kind of incremental gross margins, this quarter we did see some benefits in terms of some lower costs in the operating expenses, our cost of goods sold. We also saw some improvements in other areas. But in terms of our incremental margin, while we've never disclosed it, we do have an incremental margin that obviously is higher than our 35% to 40% level. And that's and by continuing to increase our revenue levels, that's what's going to get us to that 35% to 40% GAAP gross margin level that we're targeting as part of our financial framework.
Itay Michaeli: Terrific. That's very helpful. Thank you.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] Next up is Andres Sheppard, Cantor Fitzgerald.
Unidentified Analyst: Hi, guys. This is [Anand] on here for Andres. Congrats on the quarter and thanks for taking our questions. I know you're focused primarily on the non -- on automotive market, but with Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) moving to further implement its FSD software into more vehicles and potentially launching a robotaxi in the future, do you think this could potentially be an opportunity for our Ouster since they'll likely have to adopt lidar or do you see potential similar opportunities in the automotive space?
Angus Pacala: Well, automotive continues to be a major vertical for us in the robotaxi, robotrucking, shuttle and bus industry. And we have major customers that have been buying our sensors for years in those industries. Many of those customers naturally will transition between different products that Ouster has over time, and specifically things like the DF sensors as we bring those to market. I do see a natural transition to different product lines. For us, I can't comment specifically on Tesla as being an opportunity or whatever for Ouster specifically, but I think that the AI advancements that are being made that companies like Tesla are taking advantage of very much apply to all sensor modalities, lidar being one of them, and that is definitely buoying our business. I see that as a really good development, again, because of much of the difficulty with customers ramping quickly into this technology is just the challenge of them integrating the technology, building robust systems. And the advancements in AI that companies like Tesla are evangelizing, I would say, are actually helping us, not just in automotive, but across all of our verticals.
Mark Weinswig: And to add some numbers to that, as we mentioned in the prepared remarks, automotive, we had a record quarter for us, so we were very, very happy by Ouster's performance in the first quarter.
Unidentified Analyst: Got you. Thanks. It's very helpful. And if I could just get one quick follow-up in. I was wondering, since software was a big emphasis this quarter, if you could go over quickly the business plan related to your software ecosystem and how that's going to impact your margins in the long term and how you're going to bridge to your long-term target with Gemini and Blue City?
Angus Pacala: Yes, so I see, I mean, the software that we're providing to customers is now a central kind of strategic pillar and differentiator for Ouster. There are a couple different tiers of software that we provide to customers. The first is the developer tools that we're providing, largely free to every customer that buys an Ouster sensor. This is the SDK and associated tools. We don't talk a lot about them, but the goal there is to make Ouster sensors the de facto easiest and most convenient and efficient hardware to develop around. And I think we're well on the path to making that the case. Now Gemini and Blue City are really the revenue generating total solutions that we brought to market over a year ago. And I'm incredibly happy with. The goal there is to both expand into a new set of markets that increase the overall opportunity set for Ouster. And specifically, we're talking smart infrastructure markets, security, crowd analytics, and traffic control solutions, major markets that traditionally lidar has not played in. And the second thing is just to build a completely new revenue model for Ouster and ultimately a higher margin one that's very sticky. So in the last year plus, we not only brought these products to market, but we've commercialized them and built go-to-market plans, and now deployed them at pretty significant scale within customers. And I mentioned in the prepared remarks, customer feedback has been incredibly strong for these products even in their infancy. And I do think that they are still in their infancy. We are a long way from Ouster being a dominant player in any of our smart infrastructure verticals. But I think that given the initial feedback that has been effusive in many cases, that we're on a path where that is a distinct possibility. So we're going to continue to make major investments into the software side of Ouster, given the kind of unique position we have in the market to bring both hardware and software to these players.
Mark Weinswig: And going back to the second part of your question on the margin side, the 35% to 40% goal or framework that we have put together in terms of margins, that's based on a significant amount of hardware revenue, we do expect our software revenue to increase. We do expect that our margins from software will be higher in the long-term. So we're looking forward to being able to discuss that a little bit more thoroughly probably sometime early next year.
Unidentified Analyst: Wonderful. That's very helpful. Thanks. I'll pass it on.
Operator: Your next question comes from Kevin Garrigan, WestPark Capital.
Kevin Garrigan: Yes. Hi, good afternoon, Angus and Mark, and thanks for taking my questions. And let me echo my congrats on the progress. Kind of going off the previous question, can you give us a sense of how quickly you're expecting to continue or to offer new software solutions? And any customers that only buy the sensor and kind of not go for the software. Is there anything you guys can kind of do to change their mind or how do those conversations kind of go?
Angus Pacala: Yes, that's a great question. The first part of it is just simple. We absolutely expect to be more nimble with the software and be able to provide more rapid kind of updates, product updates and release updates with that software. Just it's the nature of the medium. And then on the second part of the question, I do see that ultimately we can expand the software footprint into many different industries. You have to understand that every single one of our customers' needs a pretty complex piece of software in order to take advantage of the lidar hardware that they're buying from us. And we're building credibility in each one of our verticals by providing this incredibly sophisticated hardware, but also a long-term relationship to each one of our major customers that builds confidence in Ouster not only as a hardware provider, but as a support provider, as a systems provider and ultimately as a combined software hardware provider. So, I do think there's opportunities for us to move into adjacent verticals, move in the industrial, automotive and robotics verticals potentially with software solutions as we're doing in smart infrastructure. That's kind of the -- that's the end, one of the end states for Ouster I think is more of an autonomy systems provider than just an isolated hardware and isolated software provider. But like I said, it's still early days and we're going to stay committed to the smart infrastructure portion of our software business for the time being.
Kevin Garrigan: Yes. Got it. Okay. Perfect. And then just as a quick follow-up, and I apologize if I missed this, but I'd love to hear feedback customers are giving you on the DF sensors and from what you're seeing in the automotive industry, and the people you're talking to are timelines kind of for or starter production for some of these models, are they getting pushed out pretty significantly? I've heard 2028 is some of the new kind of years that people are seeing?
Angus Pacala: Yes, absolutely. And I'm going to sound like a little bit like a broken record here because my view of the automotive industry remains the same and our place within it. We're building DF sensors to meet the market at the end state of what is required, which is low cost, solid state, modular, flexible, high performance, and affordable products. And that's what DF is. It's a product that can, that will be, I expect in cars for the next multiple decades, not just in the next five years. And yes, unfortunately, one of the things that we've seen is timelines push out. They rarely pull in the automotive industry and in the kind of the adjacent robotaxi industry. So that's definitely a dynamic that gives me confidence that we should be taking our time with DF and making sure we're building exactly the right thing, which I think we are, and meet the market on our timeline because it's better to be correct than to be first into a market like this.
Mark Weinswig: Yes, no, absolutely. That makes a ton of sense.
Kevin Garrigan: Okay, perfect. Thanks, guys.
Angus Pacala: Thank you.
Operator: And at this time, there are no further questions. I'll hand things back to Angus to call up for any additional or closing remarks.
Angus Pacala: Well, thank you all for joining the call. Ultimately, Ouster's success is the result of our team's belief in the differentiated strategy that we've set out and the effort that the Ouster team has put in day-in and day-out. So I do want to thank the Ouster team for another great quarter. 2024 is off to a really positive start. And at this point, we're advancing on our path to profitability, and I'm confident that the Ouster team's execution is going to continue to set Ouster apart from the rest of the industry. So thanks again and have a good evening, everyone.
Operator: Once again, everyone, that does conclude today's conference. We would like to thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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