Planet Labs PBC (NYSE: PL) has reported a 14% year-over-year increase in revenue, reaching $61.1 million in the second quarter of fiscal year 2025. The company, specialized in satellite imagery and analytics, has also registered a non-GAAP gross margin of 58% and is aiming for adjusted EBITDA profitability by the fourth quarter of the fiscal year.
With the successful launch of its Tanager satellite and 36 new SuperDoves, Planet Labs is making strides in the Defence and Intelligence sector, which has seen over 30% growth in revenue, and in the Civil Government sector with over 20% growth. The company's focus on operational efficiency has led to organizational changes and a headcount reduction of approximately 17%.
Key Takeaways
- Planet Labs reported $61.1 million in revenue for Q2 2025, a 14% increase from the previous year.
- The company achieved a non-GAAP gross margin of 58%, with an adjusted EBITDA loss of $4.4 million.
- Successful launches of Tanager satellite and 36 SuperDoves are currently underway.
- Planet Labs is experiencing strong growth in Defence and Intelligence, with revenue up over 30% YoY.
- Solid growth is also seen in the Civil Government sector, with a revenue increase of over 20% YoY.
- The company is focusing on enhancing its Insights Platform for the Commercial sector.
- Partnerships with NATO and various international entities have been established.
- Planet Labs expects Q3 revenue to be between $61 million and $64 million, representing 10% to 16% YoY growth.
- The company aims for adjusted EBITDA profitability by Q4 and has a net dollar retention rate of 99%.
Company Outlook
- Planet Labs is working towards achieving adjusted EBITDA profitability by Q4 of the fiscal year.
- For Q3, the company forecasts revenue between $61 million and $64 million, indicating continued growth.
- The company's focus remains on executing its strategy and capturing market opportunities.
Bearish Highlights
- The company reported an adjusted EBITDA loss of $4.4 million for Q2.
- There was a slight decrease in backlog, attributed to the timing of renewals and larger multi-year contracts.
Bullish Highlights
- Defence and Intelligence sector revenue grew over 30% YoY.
- Civil Government sector revenue increased by over 20% YoY.
- The company is optimistic about the agriculture market opportunities and the benefits to farmers from its data.
- A NATO apps contract has been won, potentially worth up to a billion dollars over five years.
Misses
- Despite the growth, the company has yet to achieve profitability, with an adjusted EBITDA loss this quarter.
- The company's backlog saw a slight decrease, although it remained flat on a next 12-month basis.
Q&A Highlights
- CEO Ashley Johnson highlighted the impact of one-year government contracts on business variability.
- CEO Will Marshall discussed the Pelican satellite fleet, confirming filings for up to 32 satellites.
- The company is focused on replenishing the SkySat fleet and adding new capabilities, with adjustments based on demand.
In conclusion, Planet Labs PBC continues to show strong revenue growth and is making significant progress in its satellite launches and partnerships. The company's strategic changes and operational efficiencies aim to position it for future profitability and growth in both government and commercial sectors. With a solid financial standing, including $249 million in cash and no debt, Planet Labs is poised to capitalize on its pipeline of opportunities and achieve its financial goals in the coming quarters.
InvestingPro Insights
Planet Labs PBC (NYSE: PL) has demonstrated resilience with a robust revenue growth of 12.73% over the last twelve months as of Q1 2023. The company's gross profit margins remain impressive at 52.29%, underscoring its ability to maintain profitability at the core operational level. These figures are particularly notable as they reflect the company's strategic focus on enhancing its satellite imagery and analytics services.
InvestingPro Tips for Planet Labs highlight the company's solid financial framework, with liquid assets that exceed short-term obligations, providing a cushion for operational needs. This is a reassuring sign for investors considering the company's commitment to achieving adjusted EBITDA profitability by the end of the fiscal year. However, it is important to note that analysts have tempered their expectations, with three of them revising their earnings estimates downwards for the upcoming period, signaling potential challenges ahead.
InvestingPro Data metrics reveal a market capitalization of $721.11 million, which, combined with the company's lack of dividend payments, suggests that Planet Labs is reinvesting its earnings back into the business to fuel growth. This strategic choice aligns with the company's ambitious operational goals, such as the launch of the Tanager satellite and expansion in the Defence and Intelligence sectors.
Despite the lack of profitability over the last twelve months, as indicated by a negative P/E ratio of -5.24, the company's recent performance, including a strong return over the last three months of 36.26%, points to investor confidence in its long-term trajectory.
For readers interested in a deeper analysis, InvestingPro offers additional tips on Planet Labs, which can be found at https://www.investing.com/pro/PL. These insights can provide a more comprehensive understanding of the company's financial health and market positioning.
Full transcript - Planet Labs PBC (PL) Q2 2025:
Operator: Hello, everyone. Thank you for attending today's Planet Labs PBC Second Quarter of Fiscal 2025 Earnings Call. My name is Sierra and I will be your moderator for today. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. [Operator Instructions] I’d now like to pass the conference over to our host, Cleo Palmer-Poroner, Investor Relations at Planet Labs PBC. Please proceed.
Cleo Palmer-Poroner: Thanks, operator and hello everyone. This is Cleo Palmer-Poroner, Investor Relations at Planet Labs PBC. Welcome to Planet's Second Quarter of Fiscal 2025 Earnings Call. I'm joined today by Will Marshall and Ashley Johnson, who'll provide a recap of our results and discuss our current outlook. We encourage everyone to please reference the earnings press release and earnings update presentation for today's call, which are available on our Investor Relations website. Before we begin, we would like to remind everyone that we may make forward-looking statements related to future events or our financial outlook. We also may reference qualified pipeline, which represents potential sales leads that have not yet executed contracts. Any forward-looking statements are based on management's current outlook, plans, estimates, expectations and projections. The inclusion of such forward-looking information should not be regarded as a representation by Planet that future plans, estimates or expectations will be achieved. Such forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties and assumptions as detailed in our SEC filings which can be found at www.sec.gov. Our actual results or performance may differ materially from those indicated by such forward-looking statements and we undertake no responsibility to update such forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date on which the statement is made or to reflect the occurrence of unanticipated events. During the call, we will also discuss historic and forward-looking non-GAAP financial measures. We use these non-GAAP financial measures for financial and operational decision-making and as a means to evaluate period-to-period comparisons. We believe that these measures provide useful information about operating results, enhance the overall understanding of past financial performance and future prospects, and allow for greater transparency with respect to key metrics used by management in its financial and operational decision making. For more information on the non-GAAP financial measures, please see the reconciliation tables provided in our press release issued earlier this afternoon. Further throughout this call, we provide a number of key performance indicators used by management and often used by competitors in our industry. These and other key performance indicators are discussed in more detail in our press release and our earnings update presentation, which are intended to accompany our prepared remarks. At this time, I'd now like to turn the call over to Will Marshall, Planet's CEO, Chairperson and Co-Founder. Over to you, Will.
Will Marshall: Thanks, Cleo, and hi everyone. Thanks for joining the call today. For the second quarter of fiscal year 2025, we generated a record $61.1 million in revenue representing 14% year-on-year growth. This was driven by continued strength in the government sector. Non-GAAP gross margin for the quarter was 58% and adjusted EBITDA loss was $4.4 million. These results were all in-line with or better than the guidance provided on our last earnings call. Q2 marked our fifth sequential quarter of improvement in adjusted EBITDA, as we persistently marched towards our target of achieving adjusted EBITDA profitability by Q4 of this fiscal year. We also successfully launched our first Tanager satellite along with 36 new SuperDoves last month. All of the satellites have been contacted and are undergoing commissioning. Today, I'll cover a number of topics including recent organizational changes, sales wins, satellite launches and product updates. Ashley will then provide more color on the business and our financials, so let's dive in. Starting with recent organizational changes. In Q2 we took action to align resources to the market opportunity and improve our operational efficiency. We consider which areas of our business are operating most efficiently and which need improvement, as well as the demand trends we are seeing across geographies and sectors. These actions were simultaneously aimed at improving our go-to-market towards accelerating growth as well as reducing costs. We are creating industry aligned business groups focused on specific sectors to help drive both product and sales strategy. As part of these changes, we undertook a headcount reduction that resulted in parting ways with approximately 17% of our Planet’s Earth, a process that was very difficult, but allowed us to meaningfully improve our cost structure. We expect this new, more efficient operating model will support the sustainable long-term growth and profitability of the business. Ashley will provide additional details on these changes shortly as she oversees our go to market teams in her capacity as President and work with our go-to-market leaders to architect this new operating model. Let's turn now to some of our customer highlights from Q2. The Defence and Intelligence sector continues to be a strong industry vertical for Planet, with revenue in the quarter growing more than 30% year-over-year. I'd like to highlight a few of the sales wins, we saw in the quarter, which are indicative of the increasing interest we are seeing from both US and international government customers around the world for Planet's unique datasets and the solutions we are delivering with our partners. During the quarter, we closed a new deal with NATO. Their Communications & Information Agency's new Alliance Persistent Surveillance from Space program or APSS, will evaluate using both Planet's broad area monitoring and tasking solutions to perform detailed tracking and analysis of foreign military activities, monitor infrastructure and fill intelligence gaps. We are proud to partner with NATO in this time of heightened global conflict to reinforce multinational alliances to enhance global security and we look forward to developing our relationship. While this is an introductory deal, we view it as strategically important. Additionally, we closed a seven figure deal with an international defence customer, which includes an expansion of high-resolution tasking and a pilot for PlanetScope data enhanced with AI capabilities from our partner SynMax for maritime domain awareness. As discussed on previous calls, this is part of a growing trend we see in using AI on Planet's daily scan imagery to gather intelligence more efficiently and speed customer time-to-value. Overall demand in the Defence and Intelligence sector remains strong and we believe in our new industry aligned operating model will further support our ability to capitalize on the momentum we're seeing. Progress in the Civil Government sector also continues to be solid with revenue growth of over 20% year-on-year in Q2. I'll take a moment to highlight a couple of use cases that are highly repeatable for the Civil Government market. We recently announced that the Kingdom of Bahrain is using Planet's SkySat data enhanced with AI solutions from our partner Aetosky to support smart city management and urban planning initiatives across the country. Bahrain reported that thus far, this has led to a significant increase in the effectiveness of building permit validation activities. This is a great example of a use case that could be repeated in other nations and cities around the world. Last month at Planet On The Road, we announced that INRA, Bolivia's land management agency, is using Planet Insights Platform with our local partner and geospatial AI service provider, CIVIS, for land use titling and emissions compliance. We also introduced IGAC, the Columbian cartographic entity, which utilizes AI and PlanetScope's scenes and base maps for land use planning and infrastructure monitoring across Colombia. Ashley, who attended On The Road in Colombia will show her reflections on the event shortly. Finally, we closed a seven-figure expansion with another international government agency for SkySat high resolution data, which we previously announced in July. Overall, our ability to save government customers time and resources with our broad area management solutions is driving customer adoption globally. Leveraging our platform and solution partners, we believe we can further penetrate the global market opportunity we see for our data in the Civil Government sector. Shifting to the Commercial sector, where we discussed on prior calls, we've seen both macroeconomic headwinds generally and challenges in the agriculture sector specifically. Under our new operating model, we are refining our resource allocations and focusing efforts on building out our Insights Platform for a lower friction experience for our customers and partners that are building solutions on top of Earth observation data. The platform provides valuable tools to our partners and customers while also reducing our cost to service these customers. We are seeing a lot of green shoots and experimentation in the platform at a small scale, which enables us to tap into the solid growth potential of the broader market, but in an automated and scalable way. We expect this structure will better position Planet to serve the large addressable markets in the commercial sector, in particular, which we believe can be a driver of upside over the long-term. To share some commercial wins from the quarter. We expanded our contract with longtime customer and agricultural leader BASF, who have added Planet's field boundary solution to support the xarvio Digital platform. As we discussed in our prior call, we are seeing digital agriculture applications shift towards new business models with better aligned incentives, and customers like BASF, are at the forefront leading this transition. We also recently announced a partner led renewal and expansion with American Crystal Sugar via Planet partner SatAgro, a precision agriculture company. Under this contract, SatAgro will use Planet data to provide American Crystal Sugar with advanced sugar beet monitoring in the northern United States, including harvest progression, yield prediction, and other insights to enable crop management decisions. This brings us to product updates for Q2. As many of you saw, we successfully launched our first Tanager satellite and 36 SuperDoves onboard a SpaceX launch vehicle on August 16. We're three weeks into a few months long commissioning period for this first of its kind Tanager hyperspectral satellite. I'm very proud of the progress that we've made as we work towards first light. On SuperDoves, our mature fleet that supports the PlanetScope daily scan, I'm pleased to report that all 36 satellites have been contacted. The first reached first light in a record three days and they are rapidly going into production mode. This constellation remains the largest Earth imaging fleet in history and the basis for Planet's core differentiated data. I want to thank the global team that worked nights and weekends to make this launch and these missions happen. Finally, we are preparing to ship the Pelican-2 satellite in the coming months. As a reminder, the Pelican program is our next generation high resolution fleet, which enables continuity and enhancements over its predecessor SkySat, including in resolution, image quality, spectral bands, and imaging capacity. The Pelican-2 design incorporates NVIDIA (NASDAQ:NVDA)'s latest Jetson GPU module. With this GPU, Planet plans to enable edge compute, allowing us to run AI onboard the satellite. When paired with our next generation communication technology, the program has the potential to decrease time to value by 10 times, increasing customer value by significantly shortening the time of delivery of actual insights. Finally, Pelican will also improve resolution with the Pelican-2 satellite already expected to offer up to 40 cm class resolution imagery, as part of a program that we expect will ultimately deliver 30 cm class resolution. We look forward to sharing updates on Pelican-2 as the launch date approaches. In software products, we recently rolled out customer education on how to use our land surface temperature planetary variable to optimize agricultural practices. Land surface temperature can be a powerful tool to predict crop growth rates. Together with crop and regional specific models and planets daily monitoring, customers can use these tools to infer crop growth progress in specific areas. Our platform strategy continues to focus on providing tools that help reduce customer time to value and improve ease of use. In summary, we are steadily executing on our strategy and implementing a new industry aligned operating model across Planet to better support our customers and growth. The trends we are seeing in the government sector remain strong, fueled by heightened security needs, increased sustainability requirements and global climate risks. In the commercial sector, we're making the strategic changes needed to better-position Planet for the significant market opportunity that we believe we can capture, while continuing our progress towards adjusted EBITDA profitability. Finally, I'd like to say thank you to the Planet team members around the world for all your commitment and enthusiasm. I'm continually impressed by our innovation and leadership of [Planet's Earth] (ph) in pursuit of our mission. I'll now turn it over to Ashley. Over to you.
Ashley Johnson: Thanks, Will. The past quarter has been especially busy at Planet with a number of customer events, new technology launches and of course, realigning our business. I'd like to start off by sharing some of my reflections from our explore on the road customer events around the globe. Over the summer, we hosted events in Berlin, Washington, DC and Bogota, where we showcased our Planet Insights platform to help our partners and customers, better understand the capabilities we seek to unlock for them with this new suite of tools. We talked about AI not as magic, but as a practical accelerant to insights and our platform, not as a substitution for the solutions our partners build, but as an enabler for their solutions that can speed time to value for customers. In August, I joined customers and partners in Bogota for a series of talks on topics ranging from law enforcement to forest protection to land management and infrastructure monitoring, all ideal use cases for our broad area management solutions. It was personally energizing to spend time with customers and partners that are using Planet's data and platform, combined with our partners software and services to solve some of the world's most pressing challenges. We heard from representatives from a wide range of partners and customers joining us from all over Latin America. At the event, the Brazilian Federal Police and our partner SCCON spoke about their latest ROI figures from the Brasil MAIS program, which uses Planet data paired with SCCON Solutions to stop illegal deforestation. They shared that they've collected billions of US dollars from fines, seized goods and frozen assets since 2020. They also highlighted the path they took to secure the funds and governmental support for the program in the first place, offering other countries a roadmap to follow. This program's been so impactful that the Brazilian Federal police announced on stage their ambitions to work with neighboring countries on similar programs for all countries of Amazonia. It's been truly inspiring to hear directly from our customers and partners how they're using Planet's data to solve critical problems and to understand what we can do to deliver greater value to them. I'll turn now to the financials for the quarter. Revenue for our second quarter in fiscal 2025 came in at a record $61.1 million, which represents approximately 14% year-over-year growth. As Will mentioned, year-over-year revenue growth for the second quarter was led by our government customers while we've continued to see macroeconomic and agriculture specific headwinds in the commercial sector. Under the new industry aligned operating model mentioned by Will, we believe we will enable greater team agility, better alignment with our customers and sustainable growth across all sectors that we serve. To that end, we've assigned global go to market leads for the Defense & Intelligence, Civil Government, and Commercial Sectors to help drive both product and sales strategy. These business groups and leads will help direct product priorities and shape go to market strategy with a singular focus, growing the book of business in that market. We expect this new structure will enable us to better serve the needs of our customers with a more efficient model. From a geographic perspective, during the second quarter EMEA revenue grew over 20% year-over-year, Asia-Pacific grew over 40% year-over-year while our team in Latin America drove revenue growth of over 30% year-over-year. Revenue in North America was up modestly on a year-over-year basis, reflecting solid growth in Defense & Intelligence offset by headwinds in the commercial sector. As of the end of Q2, our end of period customer count was 1,012 customers. The sequential change in end of period customer count reflects the increased focus of our direct sales team on larger customers in our core verticals and the focus of our product teams to enable smaller, more transactional customers to purchase through our platform or our marketplace partners. Recurring ACV or annual contract value was 96% of our end of period ACV book of business and over 90% of our end of period ACV book of business consists of annual or multi-year contracts. Our average contract length continues to be approximately two years, weighted on an ACV basis. Net dollar retention rate at the end of Q2 was 99% and net dollar retention rate with winbacks was 100%. Our net dollar retention rate for the quarter reflects some delays we experienced with bookings for certain large opportunities that we're pursuing with partners, as well as continued headwinds in the commercial sector. As a reminder, at this point in the year, our net dollar retention rate reflects six months of contract renewals. Our net dollar retention rate starts each fiscal year at 100%, then builds through the course of the year toward our final full year result. Turning to gross margin, non-GAAP gross margin for the second quarter was 58%, which was better than we had originally expected, in part due to the mix of deals leveraging partner solutions, as well as benefits from the cloud infrastructure investments we've made to optimize cost. Adjusted EBITDA loss was $4.4 million for Q2, marking another quarter of sequential improvement in adjusted EBITDA. The upside to our prior guidance was driven largely by better than expected gross margins and increased efficiencies in our new industry aligned go-to-market structure. As Will noted, we made reductions to our teams in Q2 in service of becoming more effective and more efficient in our global operations. As a result, we expect to achieve an estimated $35 million of annual operating expense run rate savings. Additionally, we incurred approximately $10.5 million of one-time nonrecurring charges related to the restructuring during the quarter. The reductions align with our commitment to reaching adjusted EBITDA profitability by the fourth quarter of this fiscal year and we remain on track to achieve this important milestone. Capital expenditures, including capitalized software development, were $16.6 million for the quarter. With the additional investment in the Pelican and Tanager programs anticipated for this year, we expect CapEx to remain at a similar level in Q3 and Q4. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with approximately $249 million of cash, cash equivalents and short-term investments, which we continue to believe provides us with sufficient capital to invest behind our core growth, accelerating initiatives and achieve cash flow breakeven without needing to raise additional capital, and we still have no debt outstanding. At the end of Q2, Our remaining performance obligations, or RPOS, were approximately $112 million of which approximately 78% apply to the next twelve months and 97% to the next two years. Our backlog, which includes contracts with the termination for convenience clause, which is common in our us federal contracts and occasionally found in other customer contracts, was approximately $214 million, of which approximately 65% apply to the next twelve months and 87% to the next two years. As a reminder, RPOS and backlog can fluctuate quarter-to-quarter as revenue is recognized against customer contracts and multi-year contracts come up for renewal. Let me now turn to our guidance. For the third quarter of fiscal 2025, we are expecting revenue to be between $61 million and $64 million, which represents growth of approximately 10% to 16% year-over-year. We expect non-GAAP gross margin for Q3 to be between 59% and 61%. As a reminder, quarterly gross margin can fluctuate based on the mix of business and the inclusion of partner solutions in our contracts, particularly with government customers. Gross margin guidance also reflects approximately $0.5 million of impact from the higher depreciation expense related to three of our SkySat satellites that we've discussed on our prior calls, which we expect will be completed during the quarter. We expect our adjusted EBITDA loss for the third quarter to be between negative $5 million and negative $2 million. We are planning for capital expenditures of approximately $13 million to $16 million in Q3, reflecting our continued investments in our next generation fleets, as well as the ongoing maintenance capex for our PlanetScope constellation. Looking to the remainder of the year, we continue to see strong demand signals from the government sector. Our pipeline of seven and eight figure opportunities in both the Defense & Intelligence and Civil Government sectors remains healthy, and we're pursuing a range of large opportunities, both domestically and abroad, although it remains hard to predict the timing and size of large customer wins. We were pleased with our Q2 wins which included NATO and multiple international government customers, proof-points of the demand and value of our high-cadence broad area solutions, and representative of opportunities where we see significant room for expansion. I would like to close by saying that I'm incredibly proud of the commitment and performance of our Planeteers globally. As a testament to the commitment of our teams to our customers, our technical support team was once again honored as a Stevie Award Winner in multiple categories for 2024, a prestigious award in sales and customer service. We believe the changes we talked about today will enable us to strengthen even further our commitment to our customers, while also driving greater predictability, consistency, and efficiency to the business over time, which are key priorities that we consider fundamental to accelerating our growth scalably. And we believe our partner and platform-led strategy will enable us to tap into the larger market opportunity that we see for our data across both commercial and government sectors. Operator, that concludes our comments. We can now take questions.
Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from Ryan Koontz with Needham and Company. Your line is now open.
Ryan Koontz: Hi, thanks for the question. With regards to some housekeeping first on numbers, I see North America down in the quarter sequentially as well as RPO down the last couple quarters. Can you actually kind of unpack what's going on there in terms of some of the puts and takes across different segments? Appreciate that.
Ashley Johnson: Yeah, I think the simplest answer is just to remind you that we have a number of larger opportunities, particularly with government entities, many of whom cannot sign more than one year at a time. There's just a baked-in renewal, and so that can create some lumpiness in terms of timing of new business. And I think that's generally what is driving RPOs and backlog this quarter. In terms of the geographic growth rates in North America, specifically the US, the performance by commercial is what's impacting that growth rate.
Ryan Koontz: Right. Okay, great. And in terms of the gross margin there, a nice gross margin improvement in the quarter, really strong, and nice to see it reflected in the guide as well. Can you unpack that for us a little bit, in terms of what some of the drivers there? I recall that some packaging of partner products were weighing that down in past quarters, as well as some of the write-offs from the solar storm. Is that [Technical Difficulty] a lot of that in the rearview mirror now?
Ashley Johnson: It's getting into the rearview mirror. That actually continued into Q2 and there is a bit of a tail of that into Q3, which I referenced. The gross margins benefited, one from the performance of our software engineering teams and the efficiencies that they've been driving in our cloud infrastructure. Another driver is mix of business. So, as you referenced, depending on the mix of new business in the quarter that includes partners, we can see cost of goods sold fluctuate as a result of that. So, that is another one of the drivers versus the guidance that we had previously given. And then, again in our core business, as we continue to sell data deals with our one-to-many model, bringing new customers on allows gross margins to expand. So, it is a combination of all those factors that drove the upside in the quarter.
Ryan Koontz: Great. Thanks so much. That's all I have.
Ashley Johnson: Great. Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from Michael Latimore with Northland. Your line is now open.
Mike Latimore: All right, great, thanks. Yeah, I guess just sticking with gross margin, you've guided for that to be in the sort of 59% to 61% range, I think, in the third quarter here. Is that a good new kind of baseline to think about that it should be at least that level going forward?
Ashley Johnson: I mean, that's certainly how we're targeting it. Again, the only caution I’d give is depending on mix of business that we sign, we could see pressure if we were to sign a larger deal that included for which we were prime and includes other partners. But yes, as we move forward, obviously the more business we are bringing onto the platform. That's a very scalable model. So, that helps us balance out other times where we might see partner costs weighing it down. So that's certainly our ambition is to sustain and improve from here.
Mike Latimore: Great. And then can you just give an update on the pilots that you've been working on? How many did you have in the second quarter? Do you have any in the third quarter? Just update on that would be great.
Will Marshall: Yeah, I'm happy to speak to that a little bit. Yeah, so as you know, we've been doing these pilots with AI on top of our PlanetScope daily scan, and we've done a couple this year already. We expect to have more later this year. And then we are most importantly building the foundations to build those into operational vehicles, which doesn't happen overnight, but we are definitely making good progress on that.
Mike Latimore: Great. And I guess just last on the ag sector, bit headwinds there. Do you feel like -- does that stabilize on a sequential basis third or fourth quarter this year?
Ashley Johnson: I mean, we certainly are hearing more positivity from our ag partners and customers. So, I'm optimistic about that as a market that can certainly get a lot of benefit from Planet's products and solutions. And we've got a number of really good customers in that space, some of whom were referenced on this call.
Will Marshall: Yeah, the BASF xarvio. And look, as I mentioned, we are moving towards the right sort of incentive model and that's important. And the overall optimism that Ashley and I share there is that the sector fundamentally can benefit from our data and farmers can improve yields, decrease costs, and therefore increase profitability. And all of that sense remains. And as these customers like BASF leverage the tools in a way that's where we have business alignment like this beginning to do, I think we begin to see that turn around. So, we very much believe in the long term in that market still.
Mike Latimore: Okay, great. Thanks a lot.
Ashley Johnson: Thank you. Our next question comes from Kristine Liwag with Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS). Your line is now open.
Kristine Liwag: Hey, good afternoon, guys. Just wanted to follow up on the NATO contract that you won, the NATO apps contract. Can you provide a little bit more color around the program structure and the size of that opportunity? I think NATO had said that the overall program could be worth like a combined billion dollars over five years, like what's addressable to you?
Will Marshall: Yeah, it is a great question. Firstly, we're very excited about this introductory partnership. It is very exciting what value proposition I think NATO can gain from our data. Broad assessment of threats across wide areas of interest that they have and also a common operating picture between allies with our data being unclassified and shareable, it means they can share this information between different countries. And, of course, NATO, as an alliance can really benefit from that sort of common operating and understanding. To your point about the size, yeah, I mean, that's right. The governments have committed up to a billion dollars to that program over five years. We are at the beginning end of that. So, it will ramp. But we think it's a significant opportunity for Planet to support. So, we're very excited about it.
Kristine Liwag: Great. That's helpful. And then when we -- I guess, we had with the first satellite now launched, do you peel back the curtain a little bit on Tanager? I mean, what sort of early contributions are you expecting from this first satellite and what's your latest thinking about launching the second one?
Will Marshall: Great. Yeah, I mean -- firstly, I mean the teams have worked incredibly to build and now starting to commission that first satellite. It's really fantastic to see the progress there and hard work. And that satellite, as I mentioned, is an early part of its commissioning. As to the revenue opportunities, we are very excited about the number of vertical markets with that and use cases with that hyperspectral imagery opens up. And I think we've mentioned before that we've already got two customers there, one in the form of carbon method, the people that helped fund the program, looking at the environmental use case of methane data. And we also have the NRO, National Reconnaissance Office, that buys our data. And we have a small contracting vehicle for that -- that is can expand as we get operational data, which is exciting. But also, we have been working with multiple other entities. We've about a dozen oil and gas operators, two large ag companies and others where mining companies and so on that we are doing early product work, developing the use cases such that when we start producing operational data, we can start building those markets. It is a nascent market, but we believe that this is our first foray into it and it's an exciting opportunity.
Kristine Liwag: Great. Thanks, Will. And if I could squeeze the last question in, I mean, the NGA announced plans to spend $700 million over the next five years to improve AI labeling of space imagery. I guess for something like that, that seems like exactly in your wheelhouse. So can you talk about how you're positioned for this contract? And is this a winner takes-all type of pursuit? Or do you see this carrying multiple vendors? How do you think about timing and any sort of perspective on the sizable opportunity for you would be really helpful? And I promise this is my last question.
Will Marshall: Yeah. No, it's all good. I was just being silly. Yeah, absolutely. We track that. Obviously, we work closely with the NGA. That particular opportunity is more focused on labeling of data, which is not what we do. We don't do labeling, right? Generally, the technology is moving away from that kind of method more towards the sort of automatic. These large language models and foundation models are able to be more zero-shot or one-shot learning, which is very different where you don't have to mass scale labeling of data. So, I think the better place for us to be able to be contributing is where we combine these foundation models, with our data set to do profound things like look over large areas for new threats and so on, which fits more into other opportunities.
Kristine Liwag: Great. Thanks for the color.
Operator: Our next question comes from Trevor Walsh with JMP. Your line is now open.
Trevor Walsh: Great. Hi, team. Thanks for taking my questions. Ashley or Will, just a question around the go-to-market changes kind of at the top level that you had mentioned. I understand you've got new leadership at kind of at each of the primary vertical areas. Just curious kind of maybe just diving in a little deeper, what exactly those new leaders will be focusing on that's maybe different or in addition to kind of how each of those business units were kind of being run before and sort of what the kind of 30, 60, 90 kind of day plan is for those folks?
Ashley Johnson: Yeah, thanks for the question. Again, it is really more of taking the work that we started last year and actually just moving a bit deeper and more aggressively towards aligning around our customers. So, a year ago, we talked about the fact that we were aligning our sales teams to these customer verticals. So, that was really kind of focused on our AEs and kind of how our balance of investment was on that line. What we've done is that really we should be looking at a broader commercial organization and alignment as well as our product teams and how we are thinking about the alignment of those resources behind the demands that are going to serve the broadest array of customers and meet the needs of these customers very directly. So, that's really the nature of the organizational model changes. And in terms of the leadership, so these are all people that existed in the company and were strong leaders already in their own right, partnering sales and product to lead these initiatives to really focus on accelerating the growth of the book of business. And so that means really thinking about the renewals of existing accounts, the opportunities to expand them, and where the most robust pipeline is that we can be targeting both our sales execution and our product development strategies too. So, that's the nature of the organizational changes. And with that, quite honestly, we were able to drive a lot of efficiencies and frankly achieve upside on those efficiencies versus what we had expected coming into the quarter.
Will Marshall: And if I can only add that I think the teams have got going really quickly and with a singular focus of growing the book of business for their vertical across sales and product, as Ashley was just saying, they've really got going quite quickly. And I think it will, as I said both lead to better growth and to operational efficiency that we've seen.
Trevor Walsh: Great. Thanks, both. And just one last one for me -- yeah, just one last one for me. So, Ashley, just around the guidance for 3Q and kind of beyond, I know you've talked previously about just challenges around especially the larger government contracts and getting the timing of those. I'm just -- you've talked about the pipeline as well, but then in this quarter, you actually -- it looks like between the NATO deal and some of the other seven-figure contracts that you mentioned, it looks like some of those are actually coming to fruition. So, as you think about the guidance, is it now kind of a -- is it the rev-rec around just getting those completed contracts operational and that's what kind of the lack of visibility on that front is kind of gumming up the works a little bit to kind of give a little bit broader kind of full-year guide. I'm just curious kind of where the kind of the challenges remain as far as kind of the outlook on the top line.
Ashley Johnson: Yeah, it's actually consistent with what I spoke about even at the beginning of the year in terms of having a lot of different ways that we can kind of get to the number and the balance of those opportunities then drive different outcomes in terms of specifically what you referenced. So, revenue recognition, but also the mix of partners and therefore the impact on gross margin and obviously that flows through the rest of the P&L. So, we’re obviously progressing through the year and getting a better sense for how these deals are coming together and what we need to do to close them. But until we are in a position where we know exactly what the mix of business is going to be driving revenue in the quarter, it just makes it challenging to give that full year guidance. But as you noted, we had a number of really great wins in the quarter. We continue to have really strong pipeline for Q3. So, we remain very optimistic, especially with these new business leaders and being able to re-accelerate the growth. But at this point, kind of taking it a quarter at a time until we've got a bit more predictability and ability to call with confidence the full year number all the way through the P&L.
Trevor Walsh: Great. Appreciate the questions and thanks.
Ashley Johnson: Yeah.
Operator: Our next question comes from Jason Gursky with Citi. Your line is now open.
Jason Gursky: Yeah. Good afternoon. Hi, Will, you talk a little bit more about the pilots that you were doing for the US government, the D&I customers there? I know you, I gave some comments in response to a question earlier, but I think some more detail might be helpful. How did those pilots go? What did you learn? What did your customers learn, and how does this become a larger opportunity for you and when might that happen?
Will Marshall: Yeah, happy to speak a little bit more. Obviously, I gave a little bit of color on this. Firstly, the pilots earlier this year were broadly successful and we expect more to come. As I mentioned, I think one way to think about what they are getting value at is actually an example we gave in our slides with the New York Times article that came out where investigative journalists, often we come to [quote to the] (ph) specific use cases with the DOD and intelligence, Defence intelligence customers. But actually, what the New York Times did with an investigative journalist is somewhat analogous. They are looking at China and found these new settlements, villages that China has put sometimes in disputed territory between China and India, China and Bhutan and other countries, and exposed a new threat that the world didn't know about. So that is exactly using AI on top of our broad area scan to find new threats. And that's what these are pilots are doing. The potential is a peripheral vision to help find unknown, unknowns for the intelligence community. And that's a big thing. That's why we have very strong demand signal, but also new programs and budgets, as you're aware, Jason take time to establish and that's what we are working on with them.
Jason Gursky: Okay, So this is, you know, multiple quarter, multiple year kind of process to bring this to a meaningful contract value. I'm just trying to get a little bit better understanding. And then, Ashley I think it'd be helpful, if you don't mind maybe providing some insight on what revenue level you think the company needs to achieve in order to get to cash flow. Breakeven thanks.
Will Marshall: Yeah, I mean, I would say it is a multiple quarter effort. That is the sort of time frame we can expect to see ramp actually on the --.
Ashley Johnson: Yeah, I mean, my color on cash flow breakeven will be consistent with what I’ve said in prior quarters. So, you know, obviously, first order priority is making sure that we are maintaining a cost structure such that regardless of the top-line, we are always in a position of maintaining a healthy balance sheet. So as we think about, you know, moving first to the objective of EBITDA profitability and then bringing down cash burn by expanding EBITDA profitability to offset capex and then managing Capex, either by kind of being in more of a maintenance CapEx mode, as opposed to right now we're in an investing CapEx mode to ensure that we're preserving cash and not putting ourselves in a situation where we need to raise outside capital. So it is a combination of continuing to drive operation efficiencies, focusing on revenue acceleration, and pacing our CapEx investments so that we are existing with the cash that we've got on our balance sheet today. Any follow up questions? Jason?
Jason Gursky: Oh, no, sorry. I had thanked you for the two and thought you were limiting it there. So, all set. Thank you.
Ashley Johnson: Great. Thanks, Jason.
Operator: Our next question today comes from Jeff Van Rhee with Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.
Unidentified Analyst: Hi, This is Daniel on for Jeff. Thanks for taking the questions I wanted to ask on the [RIF] (ph) and how to model that. So the 10% RIF last year, just because of other expenses coming in overall, OpEx stayed pretty flat this year. Obviously a bigger RIF with the 17% or the $35 million. Just any thoughts on how much other expense will be coming in offsetting that, or just sort of on a net basis, how to think about what we should be modeling taking out?
Ashley Johnson: Yeah, really good question, Daniel. So we're seeing most of the savings in salary and payroll, as I outlined, and we'll see the majority of that, you know, most of that in Q3, and obviously Q4 is when that should be pretty clean. This will be partially offset by less contra R&D expenses, as the Tanager program is coming to completion. So that funded R&D offset will decrease pretty substantially. But there is also some seasonality in some other expenses, in particular sales and marketing in G&A, as you know, depending on the timing of new bookings and certain key renewals that can impact the timing of commission expense and then audit timing can impact the recognition of those fees. The other factor, just to keep in mind, is the mix of partner revenue. So, as I mentioned, that drove upside for us in the quarter where we saw less partner expenses in the quarter relative to other business that was closed and revenue recognized. And as that flexes quarter-to-quarter, that can cause some changes. But the savings were realized across largely sales and marketing and R&D, with a little bit in COGS and G&A as well.
Unidentified Analyst: Okay. And then just maybe, as you talk about partners, to stick on the partner theme, gross margin is great to see them coming in at 57%. I think the expectation was around 52%. Just, I take it, on the driver of that, if that's the partner revenue, that that would be sort of a several million dollars revenue delta between what was expected from partners and what came in. So if that didn't come in, just what was some of the strength this quarter that you saw that filled that?
Ashley Johnson: Again, it just depends on whether we sign as the prime, and so therefore we're taking gross revenue and recognizing the partner expense, or whether we are coming in as not prime and delivering just a pure data deal. Sometimes it is some of the core business that we just have direct relationships with expanding. So again, the mix of business in our pipeline is quite varied. And then the nature of how we close that business can also change mid deal depending on what makes sense for the end customer and for our partners. That's why it is a little bit hard to predict. And so we try to make sure as we are providing guidance, that we're doing so with an eye to what those range of outcomes can be.
Unidentified Analyst: And then last for me, just one question for you, Will, on Pelican, just any thoughts on it sounds like some pretty significant changes being made to Pelican 2. That program still early stages and undergoing R&D. Any thoughts on how we should peg our anticipations for that? In terms of this becoming commercially viable, is this sort of more of a ‘25 or a ‘26 thing? Just what's sort of the timetable for that program to mature?
Will Marshall: Great question. I mean, look, Pelican 2, which we're excited to be shipping to launch pad here in a couple of months, is. Yeah, it is -- first, an R&D satellite, but we do hope to convert that to an operational satellite that would be able to start producing real data for customers, and so -- and then going on from beyond that, we have a rapid deployment of future Pelicans that enable us to then carry on the SkySat work, but then make all these improvements that I've mentioned, the better resolution being one of them. But also the improved capacity per satellite, the improved agility, and then most of all, this faster time to get the data down, all of which we think can improve customer value.
Unidentified Analyst: Thanks for that, Will. Thanks, guys.
Ashley Johnson: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from Noah Poponak with Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS). Your line is now open.
Anthony Valentini: Hey, guys. We got Anthony Valentini on for Noah. Thanks for taking my question.
Ashley Johnson: No problem. Hi, Anthony.
Anthony Valentini: I'm curious if you guys do any work on the economic indicator monitoring program with the NGA that was awarded a few years ago.
Will Marshall: So, we’re applying with the various work with the NGA in the area that is EIM is the previous one. Luno is the next vehicle that will go into that direction of using analytics on top of satellite data. And that is a whole suite of opportunities and we're applying for the ones that are best fit for our differentiation. And by the way, both some direct and some subcontractor, there is a lot of opportunities there, especially for PlanetScope with AI on top. But I think Luno is now the new place, which took over from EIM.
Anthony Valentini: Okay. Yeah. And I guess I'm curious if Tanager the capabilities there, if Luno, that program that's going to be replacing EIM, if that opens up capabilities for you guys and for the customer, that makes your bid more competitive.
Will Marshall: Well, 100% it opens up capabilities. I mean, in fact, stepping back a bit, when we first launched the SuperDove Satellites, the reason we moved to [eight] (ph) spectral band is and then called that fleet, the first machine learning first fleet is that -- as you add more spectral bands, there's different ways of pulling out what's going on -- on the ground, even if you can't see it in the visual RGB imagery. Hyperspectral is that [plus] (ph) with 400 spectral bands. But I would also say it's early days. And I think Luno is more focused on the more classical, let's say few band or multi-spectral, as we call it, imagery than hyperspectral imagery. But in the longer-term or medium to longer term, I certainly think it's a machine learning field actually that dataset.
Anthony Valentini: Okay, great. Thank you so much, Will. I appreciate it.
Operator: Our next question comes from Caleb Henry with Quilty Space. Your line is now open.
Caleb Henry: Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. One just about growth internationally. I think you had mentioned earlier that growth is going faster in Latin America and Asia Pacific, kind of outside of North America. Can you talk any about the reasons for that, why you're seeing that growth? And does that look mainly like pilots or are you seeing kind of longer contractual commitments?
Will Marshall: There's many things going on. I mean, we've got a number of large deals in defense and intelligence around the world. We mentioned the new international defense intelligence expansion, civil government work. And I mentioned a number in my prepared remarks. We had Bahrain doing that urban monitoring, INRA from Bolivia, IGAC from Colombia. And I can mention a few more. I mean, we've got -- the government of New South Wales has been doing some new work with us, establishing new use cases along the line of urban housing and protecting wildlife. We are doing some work with Kazakhstan, which is also the civil government doing some work in disaster response. There's a lot of different use cases emerging in civil government around the world, and they're quite pioneering. They're pushing the boundaries. And then some of that is really repeatable in other governments as well. So the opportunity there in the civil government space is also really huge and pulling us.
Ashley Johnson: Yeah. If I could just add on just from, as I mentioned, my experience down in Colombia, the product to market fit is incredibly strong in a lot of these regions that are, quite frankly, much more focused on sustainability initiatives than we might be here in North America in terms of wanting to be able to account for natural capital in places like South America, Latin America, Africa, et cetera. Some of the sustainability initiatives that you see European governments implementing, wanting to both enforce -- implement incentives and enforce penalties. These are a direct fit with our broad area management solutions. The need to be able to cover these broad areas, identify anomalies, identify changes and put programs in place that are supported by the solutions that we have. So, I do think that that is one of the drivers of the success we're seeing in our international markets.
Caleb Henry: Okay, thanks. I think maybe one clarification on that is just looking at the Planet backlog and it looks like it's down a little bit. I was wondering if that's because of the influx of kind of new players from around the world that are like trialing the service before going on to longer-term programs. Is there a connection between those two or no?
Ashley Johnson: Not really. When I look under the covers at backlog, it's a combination of timing of renewals, some larger multi-year contracts that are just burning their way down. So not up for renewal yet. It is truly a mix of things that factor into that. If you look at backlog on a next 12 month basis, it is relatively flat quarter-to-quarter. So, it is not indicative of anything competitive or otherwise. That's certainly worth calling out.
Caleb Henry: Okay. And then if I can do just one more on Pelican. Has Planet settled on a size for the Pelican fleet? I want to say in an FCC filing, it was 30 or 32 satellites, but I realized that it's not always. That's usually an upper limit. So is that the target, or have you settled on a different number?
Will Marshall: That's what -- you understand exactly right. I mean, we did the filings up to 32 satellites. The great thing of having this in house is the ability to throttle that to demand. First and foremost, it's getting to the SkySat replenishment as that fleet comes to the end of its life. And the second thing is adding all these new capabilities that I listed earlier. And the third thing is expanding to more frequency and coverage that would be enabled by satellites beyond that. So that's how we think about it. And the other exciting aspect of that fleet, if I can just throw it in there, is we constantly iterate our technology in space. And so, as I mentioned, we're flying the NVIDIA processor on this Pelican-2 next mission. That enables AI edge compute. And that shows the ability of us to take the latest capability and put it into a space, that will continue through the mission. Even just the 36 SuperDoves that we launched, we included a tech demo that's looking at next generation sensors for that Medium Res fleet. So, we're constantly iterating to get better and better data.
Caleb Henry: Okay, thank you.
Ashley Johnson: Thanks, Caleb.
Operator: Thank you all for your questions. That will conclude the Q&A session. So I will pass the conference over to Will Marshall, CEO, for closing remarks.
Will Marshall: Well, just to close up, we're really pleased with the progress in Q2. If I could just summarize, firstly, we saw the strong growth with government customers, with some exciting new customers during the quarter. Secondly, we restructured the business towards our industry-aligned operating model, which we expect to better support growth. Thirdly, we delivered solid financials, including the strong expansion in gross margin, the strong progress in EBITDA as we marched towards our adjusted EBITDA profitability goal for Q4. And finally, we are excited about the launch, of course, of 36 SuperDoves and our first Tanager spacecraft, marking our foray into the hyperspectral market. We see a fair bit of growth potential in the near-term via large government deals and in the medium term via the commercial sector with our Planet Insights Platform and our partner ecosystem. So overall, we're excited by the progress we're making and executing against our plan, against these growth catalysts. So thanks all for tuning in.
Operator: That will conclude today's conference call. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect your line.
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