Norfolk Southern Corporation (NYSE: NYSE:NSC), a premier transportation company, held its First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call, outlining its financial performance and strategic plans. The company highlighted its commitment to improving productivity, with the appointment of John Orr as the new Chief Operating Officer. Despite facing headwinds such as a $600 million class-action lawsuit settlement and lower revenues, Norfolk Southern is confident in achieving a sub-60% operating ratio in the next three to four years.
The company also addressed operational challenges, including the impact of the East Palestine derailment and the Baltimore port shutdown, while expressing confidence in its ability to deliver value to customers and shareholders through Precision Scheduled Railroading (PSR) and other efficiency measures.
Key Takeaways
- Norfolk Southern aims for industry competitive margins within 100 to 200 basis points of the average.
- John Orr appointed as COO to improve operations, targeting a sub-60% operating ratio in 3-4 years.
- Financial results impacted by $600 million lawsuit settlement, lower fuel surcharge revenues, intermodal headwinds, and decreased coal volumes.
- Expectation to improve margins through productivity initiatives and stronger volumes in H2 2024.
- Volume support anticipated from auto production normalization and infrastructure projects, despite challenges in domestic premium business and coal volumes.
- The company is implementing PSR and focusing on service improvements to drive long-term shareholder value.
Company Outlook
- Norfolk Southern expects to see volume support from the normalization of auto production and strength in infrastructure projects.
- Challenges anticipated in the domestic premium business due to a weak truck market and reduced freight demand for parcel shipments.
- Coal volumes may be affected by high stockpiles and low natural gas prices; export shipments impacted by the Baltimore port shutdown.
Bearish Highlights
- The class-action lawsuit settlement related to the East Palestine derailment has significantly impacted financial results.
- Lower revenues due to a combination of fuel surcharge and intermodal headwinds, along with a decline in coal volumes.
Bullish Highlights
- The company expects to improve margins through productivity initiatives and stronger volumes in the second half of the year.
- Safety and service remain a priority, with the company working with customers to provide alternate supply chain solutions.
Misses
- Revenue per unit (RPU) affected by headwinds in the domestic truck market, higher international shipments, and lower domestic premium shipments.
Q&A Highlights
- John F. Orr emphasized the importance of productivity, accuracy, and the basics of railroading in delivering a great service plan at the lowest cost.
- Total headcount expected to decrease by around 2% by year-end due to increased productivity.
Norfolk Southern's focus on efficiency and operational improvements, coupled with strategic initiatives, positions the company to navigate current market challenges and capitalize on future growth opportunities. With a clear plan to enhance margins and a commitment to safety and service, the company is poised to deliver on its promises to customers and shareholders alike.
InvestingPro Insights
Norfolk Southern Corporation (NYSE: NSC) has demonstrated resilience in its financial strategy, and recent data from InvestingPro underscores the company's commitment to shareholder returns and profitability. According to InvestingPro Tips, Norfolk Southern has not only maintained dividend payments for an impressive 43 consecutive years but has also raised its dividend for 7 consecutive years, signaling a strong focus on returning value to its shareholders.
In terms of financial health, the company's Price to Earnings (P/E) ratio stands at 29.35, with an adjusted P/E ratio for the last twelve months as of Q4 2023 at a lower 19.73. This suggests a more favorable earnings perspective when adjusted for specific financial measures. Despite a slight revenue decline of 4.62% over the last twelve months, Norfolk Southern has experienced a substantial 6-month price total return of 28.79%, indicating a significant uptick in its stock price over a relatively short period.
For readers looking to delve deeper into Norfolk Southern's financial landscape, there are additional InvestingPro Tips available that provide a comprehensive analysis of the company's valuation multiples and profit expectations. With a total of 8 InvestingPro Tips, including insights on analysts' earnings revisions and profitability predictions, investors can gain a more nuanced understanding of the company's financial outlook.
To access these insights and more, readers can visit https://www.investing.com/pro/NSC and use the coupon code PRONEWS24 to get an additional 10% off a yearly or biyearly Pro and Pro+ subscription, offering a valuable resource for those seeking to make informed investment decisions.
Full transcript - Norfolk Southern (NSC) Q1 2024:
Operator: Greetings, and welcome to Norfolk Southern Corporation’s First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It’s now my pleasure to introduce Luke Nichols, Senior Director of Investor Relations. Thank you, Mr. Nichols. You may now begin.
Luke Nichols: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Please note that during today’s call, we will make certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements relate to future events or future performance of Norfolk Southern Corporation, which are subject to risks and uncertainties and may differ materially from actual results. Please refer to our annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC for a full discussion of those risks and uncertainties we view as most important. Our presentation slides are available at norfolksouthern.com in the Investors section, along with a reconciliation of any non-GAAP measures used today to the comparable GAAP measures, including adjusted or non-GAAP operating ratio. Please note that all references to our prospective operating ratio during today’s call are being provided on an adjusted basis as referenced in our earnings release. Turning to Slide 3, it’s now my pleasure to introduce Norfolk Southern’s President and Chief Executive Officer, Alan Shaw.
Alan H. Shaw: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining Norfolk Southern’s first quarter 2024 earnings call. Here with me today are Mark George, our Chief Financial Officer; Ed Elkins, our Chief Marketing Officer; and our new Chief Operating Officer, John Orr. I am excited to have John on the Norfolk Southern team. John is a 40 year railroad industry veteran and a proven PSR expert, who has worked with Hunter Harrison, Claude Mongeau, and Keith Creel to implement PSR railroads across three countries. I promised you that we would focus on productivity in 2024 and we’re taking action to do just that. Bringing in someone of John’s caliber was another step to accelerate our operational improvement. John is going to share the progress in our operating metrics that he and his team are already driving and his plans for furthering productivity in our merchandise network to deliver immediate margin enhancement. Our strategy is about balancing service productivity and growth, with safety at its core. This strategy is anchored on a PSR driven operating plan and designed to deliver top tier earnings and revenue growth, with industry competitive margins. When we say industry competitive margins, it has to be within 100 basis points to 200 basis points of the industry average. Let’s recall where we’ve been and discuss our path forward. Last year in response to East Palestine, we prioritized investments in safety and service to protect our franchise and our shareholders, and we delivered on both fronts. We are operating one of the safest networks in North America and are producing service levels better than anything we’ve seen since 2019. Despite that progress, more work remains to be done to get us back to industry competitive margins. We were not delivering the productivity and we were not running fast enough or efficiently enough. I needed to make changes to accelerate our progress and to introduce greater operational discipline into our culture. To that end, we started making organizational and process changes last fall, culminating with the recent hiring of John Orr. Now, we have safely built the foundation to drive substantial gains in productivity, and we’ve committed to a [400 basis points to 400 basis point] (ph) OR improvement in the second half of this year. We will close that margin gap with peers. We will deliver a sub-60% operating ratio in the next three to four years, and we will do it at a safe, sustainable manner that recognizes our current operating environment and brings key constituents, including our shareholders, customers, employees, and regulators, along with us on our mission. We will urgently deliver productivity through disciplined operational excellence that continues to safely serve our customers, positions us to grow by meeting markets as they evolve, and allows us to generate outsized returns for our shareholders. I'll now turn it over to Mark, to review our first quarter financial results.
Mark R. George: Thanks, Alan. As seen on Slide 5, our GAAP results in Q1 were impacted by four items that we’ve called out for you. Earlier in the month, we announced the $600 million agreement in principle to resolve a consolidated class action lawsuit relating to the East Palestine derailment. That addresses the most significant remaining legal exposures for our shareholders. Including other cleanup costs and insurance recoveries in the quarter, our operating income was adversely impacted by $592 million. You’ll note at the bottom another $108 million of insurance recoveries in the quarter. That brings our recoveries to-date in excess of $200 million toward our $1.1 billion insurance coverage tower. Moving to the right, we told you last quarter about our initiative to drive a 7% reduction in non-agreement headcount, for which savings will begin to materialize in Q2. That initiative along with our operations leadership change resulted in a $99 million charge. Next, our advisory costs associated with our now very public shareholder matter recorded in non-operating. Finally, we also called out here a favorable deferred tax adjustment affecting our income tax expense. For the remaining slides, I'll speak to our adjusted results excluding these items as shown here on the far right. Moving to Slide 6, let’s focus on the adjusted variances compared to Q1 of 2023 in the year-over-year columns. Those results were impacted by 4% lower revenues driven by meaningfully lower fuel surcharge as well as headwinds in intermodal that Ed will detail later. Operating expenses were up 3% from inflation and the increased workforce. You’ll see an OpEx year-over-year waterfall in the appendix that provides more detail. Not on this page is non-operating income, which was down $17 million from lower gains on our company-owned life insurance. That decline coupled with the lower operating income drove the net income and EPS reductions you see here on a year-over-year basis. Let’s talk on the right side about the sequential variance from Q4 2023, where we guided to a 100 basis points to 200 basis point deterioration in our OR, which is in-line with normal seasonality. That's exactly where we landed right at the lower-end of that range. On the next couple of charts, we will detail the sequential revenue and OpEx walks from Q4. So, revenue here on Slide 7 moved down sequentially driven by fuel surcharge headwinds and overall lower volumes driven by coal and intermodal. Coal pricing was weaker and intermodal faced difficult conditions with volumes down 3% and continued adverse mix from softness in our higher yield premium business. Slide 8, turning to our operating expenses, they were down 1% as compared to Q4. We faced typical sequential headwinds associated with the reset of payroll taxes and we had meaningful headwinds from returning to normal incentive compensation accrual levels as well as no property sales in the first quarter. We offset those headwinds by lower spend in purchase services, efficiency gains in comp embedded, as well as favorable fuel prices. While fuel expense was down 6% sequentially, recall that surcharge revenue was down 17% sequentially and that drives a 40 basis point OR headwind on a sequential basis. As we turn to the balance of the year, we will see our margins improve materially from here. We are finally starting to see excess service costs unwind and they will accelerate downward in Q2. That trajectory along with the reduction in non-agreement headcount as well as other productivity initiatives leave us confident in a strong productivity story for Q2. We anticipate a modest seasonal volume lift sequentially, although there is some pressure to our coal business from the Baltimore Bridge disruption. Despite the port closure, we still believe we will be within the first half 67% to 68% OR guidance range assuming that the channel reopens at the beginning of June. The revenue impact from the channel closure is in the $25 million to $35 million per month range. More productivity momentum builds in the back half as well as stronger volumes and that provides us with confidence in the 400 basis points to 450 basis points of OR improvement. John will talk more about the productivity runway in front of us, but first, I'll hand over to Ed, to discuss revenues.
Ed Elkins: Thank you, Mark, and good morning to everyone on the call. Starting on Slide 11, I’ll go over our commercial results for the quarter. Overall, volume grew by 4% versus last year driven by intermodal. Revenue for the first quarter came in just above $3 billion down 4% year-over-year as total RPU fell 8%. Starting with merchandise, volume was flat versus last year while revenue ticked down a percent driven by lower fuel surcharge revenue. RPU less fuel increased by 3% year-over-year, setting an all-time quarterly record which also led to a new all-time quarterly record for revenue less fuel. This marks the 35th out of the prior 36 quarters that merchandise RPU grew year-over-year and once again reaffirms our commitment to price and the increasing value of our service. Turning to intermodal. Volume grew 8% year-over-year, primarily on strength and international. However, revenue decreased 8% as RPU excluding fuel and storage and fees declined by 6% overall. Revenue was also impacted by the lane rationalization across intermodal that simplified our network. This decision demonstrates how marketing, operations, and finance are aligned to increase productivity and drive smart and sustainable growth. Digging into coal, volumes for the quarter declined by 4% as weakness in the utility market was only partially offset by export strength driven by historically strong export quarter as our cross functional efforts to boost throughput at our Lambert's Point terminal yielded positive results. These results are a great example of all of NS pulling together to deliver strong value for our shareholders and for our customers. Let’s move to Slide 12, where I’m introducing a new view of our results that helps frame the main first quarter drivers of revenue and revenue per unit. Overall, fuel surcharge revenue was the single largest headwind in the quarter declining by $115 million. The first quarter was also the last one where intermodal storage and fees are a substantial year-over-year headwind with revenues declining by $35 million. In coal, we experienced positive mix from higher export volumes and higher utility shipments in the south. This positive mix was more than offset by lower realized price and export shipments as seaborne coal prices weakened significantly throughout the quarter. Merchandise revenue excluding fuel was driven higher by pricing gains across the entire book. Overall pricing and volume increases in our metals franchise were boosted by improved network fluidity from increased car velocity. That same velocity and fluidity helped volumes in automotive remain flat despite manufacturing headwinds at several of the plants that we serve. Intermodal revenue excluding fuel and storage and fees increased as higher volumes more than offset adverse mix and continued slight capacity in the domestic truck market created headwinds to RPU. Higher international shipments and lower domestic premium shipments were the main drivers of adverse mix. Additionally, RPU was impacted from higher international empty shipments as these grew 57% year-over-year in the quarter. We believe elongated ocean transit times are a driving factor pushing ocean carriers to deploy their capacity back on the water as soon as possible, which increases the need to reposition empty containers back to the ports. Turning to Slide 13, let’s go over our market outlook for the remainder of ‘24. The macro landscape presents a mixed bag with uncertainty regarding inflation and future Fed rate actions overshadowing the recent recovery in manufacturing. However, our improving service product places us in an excellent position to capitalize on growth opportunities. Starting with our view on the widely varying merchandise markets, we generally see support for volume from the normalization of auto production and the continued strength in infrastructure projects across our network. A positive price environment will continue, which is supported by the increase in network fluidity. Improved cycle times, equipment availability, and network velocity will be a broad positive tailwind across our portfolio and merchandise. And, we also expect to drive incremental volumes through project development such as our recently announced Great Lakes Reload acquisition, the merger of TDIS into Triple Crown Services and continued industrial development wins. Intermodal volumes are expected to increase as international trade remains robust. We expect continued mix impacts from higher international empty shipments as geopolitical tensions remain elevated, but a weak truck market continues to drive stubbornly low truck rates, which will dampen domestic non-premium intermodal pricing. Additionally, we expect volumes in our domestic premium business to fall as challenging LTL market forces reduce freight demand for parcel shipments. Finally, coal volumes will be challenged as high stockpiles and low natural gas prices reduce utility shipments. In addition, export shipments will be affected by the Baltimore port shutdown. We are diligently working with our customers to provide alternate supply chain solutions, and the increased network fluidity is providing the capacity necessary to execute on those solutions. Finally, seaborne coal prices have weakened as supply has outstripped global demand, and this headwind is expected to continue throughout the remainder of the year. Before I turn it over to John, I’d like to close by thanking our customers for trusting Norfolk Southern to move their freight.
John F. Orr: Thank you, Ed. I arrived at NS in late March and immediately got to work immersing myself in the operations and connecting with our people. I’ve had boots on the ground assessing terminals and engaging craft colleagues and frontline supervisors. I’ve also met with our stakeholders from labor, regulatory and community leadership. What I’ve seen confirms that NS is a robust franchise with a talented team and the resources to deliver impressive results when properly executed. Our safety performance, as shown on Slide 15, has trended favorably. I have observed a strong safety commitment and we are building on that. My first action as COO was a system safety blitz to provide clarity around the value of safety. Turning to Slide 16, it is imperative that we close the profitability gap with our peers. We are now delivering encouraging trends in productivity. Our strategy is balanced, where operating efficiency and service excellence are achieved in tandem. Our approach is a flywheel of value creation, where people, processes and accountability intersect to drive performance, anchoring our service and profitability proposition. Accountability is key. We’re providing our team with the metrics they need to track their performance. In my first 30 days, we have removed approximately 200 locomotives from the available fleet. Most of these have gone into storage status or driven offline for HPH ballast. Our availability count is now below 2,500 units. As shown on the slide, we will be able to increase locomotive drawdown over the next six months. Terminal Dwell has improved by 8%. We are driving out more waste by fine tuning workload in our terminals through disciplined planned execution. Near-term, we are targeting 20% improvement. Car miles have improved by 8%, and this is another productivity measure we target for double-digit improvement. Recrews are trending down 22% as network and terminal improvements are combining to improve fluidity across the mainline. And lastly, we are reviewing the entire train service plan. This will drive co-rationalization in the range of 4%. Resulting from these initiatives, we are driving out excess cost as we close the gap to our peers. Referring to Slide 17, network update. To accelerate improvements and address network underperformance, I have established a network optimization team that identifies areas for immediate improvement. I have deployed two task force to drive field productivity and throughput at two major terminals. The outcomes from these efforts will rapidly go to scale throughout the network. We are training our operations leaders to think differently, to make faster decisions, and to eliminate waste more vigorously. My commitment is to develop PSR railroaders, to instill the discipline for continuous improvement, and to streamline execution by relentlessly managing assets in context to our commercial obligations. The initial results across the entire network have been promising. Our people are driving PSR results. To create accountability and to track progress, we’re introducing a comprehensive set of metrics. I’ve laid out challenging and urgent near-term targets, and I’m taking an aggressive disciplined approach to achieve our long-term financial glide path. And, I can tell you now we have a significant runway on cost reduction. As our fleet becomes more efficient, we benefit in rents and materials by shedding assets and from improving the fleet composition and getting out more costly cars. Our locomotive fleet now has significant capacity. I believe we will be able to scale down discretionary capital spending on the fleet, and we have a robust terminal footprint covering a rich array of industrial activity. And, as we optimize our terminals, we are challenging their historic use to create value through consolidation and efficiencies. I am proud and excited to have the opportunity to lead the operations team at NS. I look forward to your questions and I will turn the call back to, Alan.
Alan H. Shaw: Our strategy is designed to mirror the great success stories of the Canadian railroads, who have recognized that PSR is about more than tearing a railroad down to its studs and slashing costs regardless of the fallout. As our Board member, Claude Mongeau, demonstrated when he was CEO of Canadian National, a PSR operating model, when part of a customer-focused balanced strategy, can deliver top-tier revenue growth and a sub-60% operating ratio. John Orr was an integral part of Claude’s leadership team at CN and thus a perfect fit from Norfolk Southern as we turbocharge productivity in pursuit of industry competitive margins and top-tier earnings growth. Core to this are the men and women of Norfolk Southern. I’m incredibly proud of all they’ve done to progress the execution of our differentiated strategy. To my colleagues, thank you for everything you do for Norfolk Southern, our shareholders, our customers, and your fellow team members. Together, we are on a transformational journey to a safer, more profitable railroad, poised for growth with strong execution from an experienced leadership team. We will now open the call to questions. Operator?
Operator: Thank you. We’ll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. And, our first question comes from Brian Ossenbeck with JPMorgan (NYSE:JPM). Please proceed with your question.
Brian Ossenbeck: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question here. So, just wanted to understand going back to the Meridian Speedway concession, does that actually have an impact? Does that cover anything related to traffic originating or terminating out of Mexico? And then secondarily, maybe something for John, or the team. Can you just give us some sense behind the underlying assumptions as you’re benchmarking these productivity savings going down to [60%] (ph) OR in the next two, three years? And, why can’t you go there faster? What’s holding you back from that? And, maybe you can help with walking through some of the assumptions under your numbers versus what else we see out there? Thanks.
Alan H. Shaw: Thanks for the question, Brian. Let me be really clear. The agreement related to the Meridian Speedway is by no means a consequential concession, and it does not impact Mexico. We said it impacts the Dallas business, which is largely defined by an abundant truck capacity. John, do you want to handle the second part of his one question?
John F. Orr: Sure. Hey, Brian, nice to talk to you. And, I’ll tell you, I’ve been out assessing the network and I’m really confident with the plans that I’ve got underway today that we’re on-track for the 400 basis points to 500 basis points by year-end. And I’ll tell you, our operating costs are a direct reflection of our asset management, and speed and accuracy are really essential for that. And, our ability to rapidly cycle assets reduces our need for them, which is why we’re focused on accelerating all of our operations simultaneously while taking out costs. And, I’m very confident with our dwell, our over-the-road performance, the discipline we’ve put on our locomotive fleets and the crew productivity and some of the smart investments that we’re making to unlock the value, we’re well underway.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Scott Group with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.
Scott Group: Hey, thanks. Good morning. So, Mark, you’re guiding 400 basis points to 500 basis points of sequential improvement into Q2. Just help us think about the drivers there, how much volume, how should we think about cost ex-fuel? And, I know there’s a lot going on with the proxy. So, I do want to ask also, Alan, a, what what’s any expectation in terms of timing for ISS? And then, there is a lot of focus on this Meridian Speedway thing. Like, it looks like there was another second amendment that you guys filed yesterday. Any color on what that second amendment is? Thank you.
Mark R. George: Yes, I’ll start. First, I think the amendment was just really formalizing with the [SCB] (ph) who had requested that things get filed. The whole exchange that we want, that we had the 8-K and some of the other stuff, they just wanted to see it formally filed. So, we did exactly that. That’s all it is, nothing new than what’s already been communicated. ISS, we don’t control it. We would imagine that comes out likely at the end of this week, early next week, but we don’t know. And, with regard to the Q1 to Q2 walk, Scott, really what we would expect here is kind of the modest seasonal volume increase that you typically would see going into the second quarter, call it a point or two of increased cost. But, then I think you’re going to really start to see the cost lines, start to show relief here, especially in comp and ben. We’ve started to actually experience the unwinding of service costs in March, and that’s going to really accelerate as into the second quarter. And, I think most of those will be gone by the end of second quarter going into the third quarter. So, we’ve made tremendous progress there. In addition, we’ve got restructuring benefits, the reduction of the 300 plus non-agreement workers, most of those have already left here in middle of April and there’s a few more that leave at the end of May, but we’re going to start really harvesting those benefits. And, fuel is another area where we’re going to see some benefits with efficiency. John is very focused on that right now. And then of course, we’ve got all of the other productivity stuff that’s really starting to build the productivity related to crew start savings, over time, car rents, things like that. So, you’re going to see it show up in a lot of the P&L lines, especially in comp and ben.
Alan H. Shaw: And Scott, recall in John’s prepared remarks, he had a chart that showed about $250 million in productivity over the next six months.
John F. Orr: Yes.
Scott Group: Thank you.
Mark R. George: Thanks, Scott.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of Tom Wadewitz with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Tom Wadewitz: Yes, good morning. Alan, I wanted to get your thoughts on, I guess, how you’ve had a pretty big change, obviously, the new COO, who’s John stated being very aggressive, the teams being aggressive with taking locomotives that changing the schedule. How do you think about the risks of that? Because I think your prior approach was something where you thought it would be better for customers to kind of have the resiliency approach. So I guess, how do you think about the change in tack on operations and some of the risks of going that way? And, I guess also recognizing that before you had kind of pointed to a lot of risks of being too aggressive on the, I guess on reducing people and assets? Thank you.
Alan H. Shaw: Tom, thanks for the question. Let me be really clear. We’re still focused on that same strategy that we laid out a couple of years ago, and that’s that balance between service productivity and growth with safety at its core. And, we made a lot of improvements last year in service. We made the safer road even safer, but we weren’t delivering the productivity. We weren’t running fast enough, and we weren’t running efficiently enough. And so, I needed to make some changes, and that’s what a CEO does. And, I needed to accelerate our operational improvements. And, we made a number of process changes and personnel changes starting last fall. Most recently, we hired John Orr. And, what John’s doing is, he’s driving productivity and continued service improvements. And so, that’s the balance of our strategy. That’s what customers want. They want service and they want us to be productive. John, you got some thoughts on that?
John F. Orr: Yes. As I’ve said in my prepared remarks, they’re not mutually exclusive. In fact, they’re complementary to each other. And, my approach is, as I evaluate the network and restructuring our yard and local plans, what are basically on ramps to our corridor that touch our service, touch our customers and creating efficiencies, new standards and accelerating through our current dwell times, making improvements year-over-year, but also making improvements on the individual cars and the handoffs on those cars, it drives performance. And, then the overall speed of the network picks up as there’s more reliability. So, that’s why I talked to not only our craft employees and our frontline supervisors in my first few days, but also union leadership and the regulators to make sure they understood. We’re going to go at a quick pace, give them a forecast of what we’re doing. And, was very clear even with our union leadership that I’m going to ask our people to do more, give them the resources, give them the training, give them the skills to do it. But, they’re going to be stretched in ways that they’ll be proud of in the coming years and we’re going to do it sustainably. We’re going to grow a team of capable PSR driven leadership and do it in a way that produces amazing results.
Operator: Our next question is coming from the line of Jon Chappell with Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question.
Jon Chappell: Thank you. Good morning, gentlemen, I want to follow-up on a couple of things that have been touched on already as it relates to the things that you’ve done in the last 30 days. The volumes so far this quarter have been relatively strong for Norfolk Southern on a year-over-year basis, granted there’s easy comps. But, as you go through the next six months and you deal with things like laying 300 more locomotives or reducing merchandise families by 10%, is there a situation where you don’t maybe chase volume recovery as quickly as you would otherwise? Or it’s more about getting the network where it needs to be and worrying about volume, and I guess the topline beyond that next six month period?
Alan H. Shaw: John, why don’t you talk about that? And then, Ed, why don’t you talk about the market?
John F. Orr: Yes. I think that the most imperative thing we can do is to close the gap on performance, reliability and drive the value of the network. As far as the capacity, we’re unlocking capacity in the existing terminals by being more efficient, more effective and driving those on-ramps to the network more effectively. What’s there in that pipeline, we have ample capacity to grow more trains or grow the longer trains and to get yield out of that even a single-line capacity. So, I don’t see it as being one or the other, it’s both. And, whether or not the volume is there, depending on what the economy gives, we’re going to drive performance, we’re going to close the gap faster than anyone else. So Ed, I’ll turn it to you.
Ed Elkins: Sure. And, you’re absolutely right, John. We’ve seen fairly strong volume so far this month. We’re encouraged by that. Our customers are encouraged by the level of service that we’re delivering. And, to be clear, in intermodal, the level of service we’re delivering is the best in a generation, and it’s sustainable and it’s going to continue to be that way, and we’re earning trust from our customers to do that. We’re seeing very good response on the bid front for new volume converting from the highway, which we’re very encouraged by in intermodal. On the merchandise side, look, we spent the last six months building a sales conversion pipeline, which includes technology augmentation as well as institutional rigor, and we are going to deliver growth from the highway converting freight in the merchandise space that should be moving on Norfolk Southern. The capacity that John has unlocked and we’re going to use to go out and get back the freight that should be ours.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Justin Long with Stephens. Please proceed with your question.
Justin Long: Thanks, and good morning. I guess to follow-up on some of the commentary about intermodal, you’ve talked about rationalizing some lanes. I wanted to get an update on where you are in that process. Is that now complete or is there more to come? And then, similarly or along those lines, thinking about these multi-year OR targets, how do you envision the mix of the business changing? Do we need to see a shift to more general merchandise freight? Or is that not necessary to hit these OR objectives? Thanks.
Ed Elkins: I’ll talk about the intermodal piece first. I think that was your first question. Look, we took a very, very disciplined view of our intermodal network and did a couple of things. Looked at lanes that were very low density, looked at lanes that were not strategic in terms of their capability for our customers. And then thirdly, looked at lanes where we did not believe that there was going to be long-term growth potential that we had line-of-sight on. Once we pass all those filters, we talk to our partners that were engaged in those lanes, that includes our port partners and some others, and we made some tough decisions. It’s about 15% of the intermodal lane portfolio, but only about 1% of the intermodal revenue portfolio, which should tell you something about the density there. Are we done? We’re always looking at our network to make sure that we are applying our resources where the greatest growth potential is. And, one thing that this exercise taught us is, we can redeploy some of that capacity that we’re freeing up toward our powerhouse lanes, where we’re delivering exceptional value for our customers. And I would say, with regard to kind of the mix question, intermodal is going to grow because that’s where the growth is. We serve the consumers, but at the same time, merchandise has probably suffered more in the past couple of years from the service challenges we have. So, just unlocking the network and doing everything that John’s doing should enable merchandise to really return to better growth rates as we start to recover share. And of course, that will help mix. Absolutely. And as I said, the sales pipeline approach that we’re taking has a very disciplined view toward conversion from the highway, both in the merchandise as well as the intermodal space. And I would say, as far as capacity is concerned, we’re improving execution and plan compliance and that facilitates blocking deeper into our network, which ultimately increases car velocity, train speed and really drives performance. That applies to intermodal, merchandise and bulk. And we’re actively engaging and challenging every asset that we’ve got out there. Just in the last 30 days, I’ve approved the elimination of over 487 turnouts that were redundant. We’re turning over every rock, big or small to look for improvement and consistency.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Jason Seidl with TD Cowen. Please proceed with your question.
Jason Seidl: Thank you, operator. John, I wanted to talk a little bit about the new PTO and sick leave regulations and how much of an impact that you’ve seen there and sort of what you expect going forward? And then I guess a quick follow-up is, when you look at sort of the whole network, how are you viewing some of the yards? And is there a chance that you look to close a yard to down the road? Thanks.
John F. Orr: Yes, obviously the sick leave is a national issue. I think no different than any other regulated or introduced crew limitation. We all have to deal with it. What I’m really focused on is crew productivity and yard productivity and increasing the capabilities of each assignment to do more within the timeframe they’ve got to work. And so, delivering more getting accountability to connections, getting yield on our trains, that’s the most important piece. And, we’re balancing that. I’m on the team every day on crew availability to make sure that whatever we’ve committed to with our labor organizations or through the CBA process that we’re living up to that. And, on the flip side, making sure that the unions understand that they have an obligation to come to work within the timeframes dressed and ready to deliver for our customers each and every day. So, it’s both sides of that coin. As far as the terminals are concerned, the reason when I started with hump yards is because they can add a lot of value. They can drive a lot of mechanized performance. But, as we all know, they’re costly. I want to get the most yield I can get out of them. I’ve already challenged our yard plan from yard-to-yard, node-to-node and we’ve started to eliminate power imbalances at a place like Chattanooga. We’ve reduced the bunching in the terminals by re-establishing a terminal clock at all of the major terminals. And, we’ve even decreased a number of assignments that were moving cars and causing multiple handlings between the yards. So, I would say everything’s open. I’m challenging the historic reason for a yard, so that whatever we do is going to meet the operational need of today and tomorrow. So, everything’s on the table, everything’s being scrutinized and we will be rolling out a redefined yard operating plan and yard operating strategies in the next 30 days. And, that will then drive our re-design of most of the operating plan over the next 60 days to 90 days.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Kauffman with Vertical Research. Please proceed with your question.
Jeff Kauffman: Thank you very much. John, just kind of a question on your impression coming in. As you were an outsider, you had a certain view of what Norfolk might and might not have been able to do. Now you’re an insider. You’ve had a chance to see an operation. I guess my question is twofold. Number one, what’s different about when you actually came on Board and got a chance to get out there and see what’s going on? And, then my second aspect of that is, what do you think somebody on the outside might not appreciate about the Norfolk network and what can and can’t be done?
John F. Orr: Well, that’s a great question. I’m glad you asked it. I’ll tell you in my first official act with boots on the ground was to go to East Palestine and really understand the scope of that issue. Because I’ll tell you, I’ve been a railroader for over 40 years. I’ve been the incident commander at a number of derailments, some very consequential and some that I’ve had to make those same decisions that were made here to resolve imminent safety concerns and understanding the scope and scale of the commitment that NS has made to that community, I’ve never experienced anything like that. And, so I came in with a bias and really had to understand the magnitude of that event and how that could have had a more lasting impact across not only NS, but the sector. As I looked at our operations, I always have a bias for yards, because I think yards, especially in a merchandise environment are where cars and customers kind of coincide. So, how we handle them, how we accelerate or drag is really important to evaluate. And, so I was pleasantly surprised at the richness of the terminals, but also quickly realized as I got under the hood that, that was where a lot of the underperformance was happening. And, that’s why I set up a task force to kind of look at the data and drive performance through data, but also had a field component to check-in a balance to make sure that we were driving was actually going to add performance and not undermined or burn something down that didn’t need to be either intentionally or unintentionally. So, I think having a good perspective of what the network looks like, as an outsider, you have biases. As an insider, you start to get under the hood and realize, okay, here may be a big rock issue, but then you get to know the smaller rocks that need to be moved out of the way to create that momentum. I’ve made a career out of going across Canada, the United States and Mexico, unclogging drains and creating a lot of momentum and then leveraging that momentum to build very competent, capable service plans, very competent, capable operators of those service plans and creating sustained improvements. And, that’s what I’m seeing right now. I think the architecture of NS is solid and it does come down to execution. And, it’s a very complex non-linear network. That’s what the East is all about. I’ve spent 35 of my 40 years in the East, either as a craft employee or as a leader, as a senior leader in the United States, a senior leader in Eastern Canada. And, I know networks, I know the industrial complex that we’re working in. It’s very similar to the density that I just converted in Mexico. So, I think we’ve got lots of work to do, but as I said in my prepared remarks, it’s a robust franchise with a talented team and the resources to deliver impressive results. We just have to properly execute.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Stephanie Moore with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Stephanie Moore: Hi, good morning. Thank you. I appreciate the color, especially from you, John, and just the detailed plans in place around productivity initiatives and creating a PSR mindset across the organization. With this focus as a clear priority, what has been the customer response just given the changes underway? How does this translate into incremental volumes? Is there a natural lag from customers as they kind of get convinced of the changes happening? Any color there would be helpful. Thank you.
Alan H. Shaw: Ed, why don’t you address that?
Ed Elkins: Sure. And thank you, Stephanie, for the question. As I said earlier, our customers are encouraged by a couple of things. Number one, the velocity of change that they see happening in terms of service improvement. And, you think about our first quarter, we absorbed double-digit growth in our international book as well as low-single-digit growth in our domestic book, held serve on our merchandise freight and improved service throughout that time and into April. So, they’re encouraged. On the intermodal front, like I said, it’s really the best service in a generation that we’re delivering, and I have a lot of confidence that we’re going to continue to deliver that same level of service, which is only going to deliver more value for our customers. On the merchandise side, in some cases, our customers are going to have to unwind alternatives that they’ve got in place, but you know what, having exceptional service that is reliable and really just a conveyor belt, that’s what they want. That’s what allows them to unwind those alternatives and come back to where the natural value for them is, which is Norfolk Southern.
Alan H. Shaw: I’ve had a number of customers approach me, Stephanie, over the last month since John was announced, encouraged by our approach, encouraged by our direction and supporting our strategy. Our customers, as John noted, in the East are familiar with John in large part. And, they’ve seen what he’s done wherever he’s been to enhance service and enhance safety and enhance productivity. And, that’s what customers are looking for. And Ed, I don’t know if you know it, but just this morning we got an e-mail from one of our largest customers thanking us for another excellent week of service.
Ed Elkins: I was just about to close that.
Alan H. Shaw: Well, how about that? Thank you for another week of excellent service.
John F. Orr: You know who you are out there. And we’ve had to make hard decisions. Ed and I have had to take very decisive decisions on car flows, on even on how customers are interacting with some of our service facilities. It is but having the work on the front-end, engaging with people, helping them understand what we’re doing, helping them understand where they fit into that, whether it’s union leaders, it’s regulatory leaders or our customers. That really, Stephanie, helps them understand what we’re doing, why we’re doing it and how we’re going to work together to create these standards.
Alan H. Shaw: And Stephanie, that is our strategy, is making sure that we bring along our customers and our employees and our regulators and our shareholders with us as we transform Norfolk Southern into a more profitable organization with a safe and service product that is poised for growth.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of Jordan Alliger with Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS). Please proceed with your question.
Jordan Alliger: Hi, yes. Maybe this is in some ways a follow-up, but I’m just sort of curious, you have a pretty extensive list of things to do over the next six months and then 12 to 24 months. As you sort of come in, knowing what Norfolk had done already you getting there and the gap that’s been talked about, how much of this would you say is what you would call basic blocking and tackling versus real sea changes in operational scope, basically trying to assess your degree of confidence level and achieving and ticking all these things off and being able to hit the margin expectations in the coming years? Thanks.
John F. Orr: Well, I’ll tell you this, all across Canada, the U.S. and Mexico, I’ve been a change agent and an architect of PSR. I haven’t had the luxury of looking in the rearview mirror very often. And, so I don’t spend a lot of time looking at what could have been or what was rather than what the current situation is and how fast can we get to the desired state. Desired state is having closing the gap for sure, having an operation that is focused on asset management with speed and accuracy to reduce the cycle times, reduce the dwell times and drive out waste. So, that’s taking on an approach where it has a network overview. So, there’s a very strategic point of view on how do we create speed, accuracy by reducing dwell, increasing over the road performance, looking at long lead resources like locomotives and crews and how do we make them as productive as we can and then create resiliency and elasticity for network response like we’ve seen in Baltimore. And, then really look at our smart investments, how do we leverage those things, like capitalizing locomotive renewals, refurbishing locomotives that can be pushed off into the future because we’re creating our own locomotives by having them more productive. I think this is a natural evolution on some of the linear elements that were started in the past. Now, taking a non-multidimensional point of view on it, not focusing on one particular thing, but elevating the entire suite of operating efficiencies at the same time in tandem with one another, disciplined railroading, disciplined service, accurate handling of cars and reduction of waste and cost is really the plan. And, that will show in the form of yard operating plans, disciplined operations in terminals, disciplined and progressive ways of moving the train service plan into the meet the commercial needs of today. I am highly confident, highly confident that we’ll achieve the targets and we will do it in a way that’s sustainable and we will do it in a way that fosters growth and we are on the path today. We are well underway. So, that increases my confidence.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of Walter Spracklin with RBC Capital. Please proceed with your question.
Walter Spracklin: Yes, Thanks very much. Good morning, everyone. I know you’ve put a lot of time under this, but I do need to come back to it and that is the trying to square up the changes that John is making here. They are substantial with the lack of any customer disruption. I mean, it used to be and maybe I’m dating myself here, but it used to be when I write we saw PSR change, it didn’t, if customers weren’t disrupted then it wasn’t happening, was kind of the view. And, when you take out 200 locomotives, soon to be 500 locomotives, I mean that kind of has a leave of Merck. We know there’s been lane reductions. I guess feedback from those customers must have been quite negative. So, I’m just wondering are you just refocusing on those other customers and you’re getting good service to them and they’re coming back to you with some good feedback and perhaps some of the less or lower margin customers are going to be shed a little bit. Just really surprised that we’re not hearing more customer blowback from some of these significant and important changes that you’re making?
Alan H. Shaw: Walter, that’s our strategy. That’s what we committed to doing. We’re going to implement and we have been implementing PSR in a responsible and sustainable manner. We saw what happened at our peer in 2017, and we’re not tearing this thing down to the studs. John knows how to do it without tearing it down to the studs, as the activist COO has said he would have to do. Ed is close to our customers. Our customers appreciate and see the improved service. We’re focused on safety, and we’re focused on a sustainable plan for Norfolk Southern that drives long-term shareholder value. John, you want to talk about how you’re doing this in the right way?
John F. Orr: And I think Walter, by the way, it’s nice to hear from you. I would say, it’s what we said at the very onset that we’re taking a balanced approach. I’ve laid out really challenging and urgent near-term and mid-term targets, and I’m taking an aggressive disciplined approach to manage it. And, I’ve used the George Foreman Grill example, you don’t set and forget operations. You sweat it out and you can’t drive this alone. So, creating a team of capable railroaders focused on the big rocks and small rocks at the same time, delivering the fundamental of safety, creating stability across the network and then challenging every asset that we have, every standard that we have and building compliance and building momentum around those things is really important. So yes, it is sweat equity in a lot of respects, Walter. And, it is really the key focus areas of yard time and dwell. And, you know what that does. When we drive our current dwell down from mid-23s to ‘22 and we’ll be taking that down even further, not only are we handling the cars better in the terminals, but we’re getting more cars on trains, getting to the customers sooner and even the bad order count, taking it down by double-digits, by almost 50% means those the discipline of handling those cars in the terminal and getting them back into the flow of our core service offerings means the customers are seeing those cars faster than they would have otherwise seen them. So, I would think that they see that as a value and rather than a negative disruption, a positive indication that we’re building momentum and commitment to them, while at the same time reducing handling some costs.
Ed Elkins: And, just to close the loop, Walter, on say the locomotive specifically, remember last year, we actually had to add locomotives back into service. We spent a fair amount of money in materials trying to get locomotives that had been stored back up and running, so we could dig out of the tough hole we were in following the East Palestine derailment. It’s how we got service really back on the right trajectory. And, now we’re able to start attacking some of those resiliency costs we’ve added and remove locomotives and some of the other costs we had to throw at the system. So, there’s a lot of opportunity here to remove costs that will be non-disruptive to the customers.
Alan H. Shaw: And to summarize, the service level improvements, the dramatic service level improvements are what the customers are reacting to, and that is across our markets and across our customer base.
Operator: Our next question is from the line of David Vernon with Bernstein. Please proceed with your question.
David Vernon: Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. So John, you’ve been at the property a little over a month. I’d love to kind of get your perspective on kind of what the root cause is here, that you see as far as kind of what drove the problems. Is it a question of kind of what Norfolk was trying to do or how they were doing it? And, kind of any thoughts you have on that would be helpful. And, then as you think about kind of taking 200 locomotives out, maybe another 300 locomotives, what does that mean for headcount? Because I would assume that the sequential headcount number was up a little over 500. Obviously, the non-craft trades, the non-craft job action coming out a couple of 100 heads will be down. But, what do you think about the operating headcount, as you start to free up assets and run more fluidly?
Mark R. George: Actually, I’ll handle the headcount question before John talks to you a little bit about his assessment of the challenges. You may recall, we guided last time where we said that overall headcount would likely be flat over the course of the year. Where we were taking 300 non-agreement people out, but we would likely have to add some agreement folks that would offset it. We actually see now with John in the room here a pathway for total headcount to be down around 2% by the time we end the year. So, that’s the patent on headcount. John?
John F. Orr: Yes. And, just to add emphasis to that, as we get more productivity out of our yard and locals and more accuracy on our over the road transits and performance. We’ll see more people virtually come live and we would be able to have more availability and more crew flexibility. And, I have frozen all hiring from operations. There may be two or two critical paths like CNS where signals and communications, that’s a very specialized skill that we will need to continue to evolve as we bring our OT and IT and that kind of perspective into more into our safety plans. But, I would also say that it gets back to the basics. I’m not going to really be too critical of what I inherited, rather I saw a lot of things in flight that I’m able to leverage very quickly on. And, at the same time, the basics of railroading, the basics of giving a great service plan at the lowest cost in the safest way possible is the recipe and building out discipline around that, creating visibility, accountability and driving purpose, so that we improve these things is part of the challenge that I’ve laid out. And, that’s how we’re delivering short-term and mid-term. And, that’s what we’re going to continue to do.
Operator: Thank you. At this time, we’ve reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I’ll turn the call back over to Luke Nichols for closing comments.
Luke Nichols: Thanks, Rob. Appreciate everyone’s time and joining our call this morning. Recognize there’s a few folks that didn’t get a chance to ask your questions. Wanted to let you know Investor Relations is here through the rest of the day. Please feel free to reach out to us. We’ll look forward to seeing everybody through the quarter.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.
This article was generated with the support of AI and reviewed by an editor. For more information see our T&C.