Simon Property Group (NYSE: NYSE:SPG) has reported a strong performance for the first quarter, with a notable increase in funds from operations (FFO) and occupancy rates. The company's FFO reached $1.33 billion, or $3.56 per share, a significant rise from $1.03 billion, or $2.74 per share, in the previous year. This growth was primarily attributed to higher rental income from domestic operations and gains from investment activities. Simon Property Group also announced an increase in its full-year guidance for 2024 and a dividend rise, signaling confidence in its business strategy and future prospects.
Key Takeaways
- Simon Property Group's FFO for the first quarter increased to $1.33 billion, or $3.56 per share.
- Domestic property net operating income (NOI) rose by 3.7%, with occupancy rates reaching 95.5%.
- The company sold its interest in Authentic Brands Group for $1.2 billion, realizing a 7x multiple on invested capital.
- Full-year 2024 FFO guidance has been raised to a range of $12.75 to $12.90 per share.
- A dividend of $2 per share was announced for the second quarter, up 8.1% year-over-year.
- Redevelopment and new construction projects are underway, with the company maintaining strong liquidity of approximately $11.2 billion.
Company Outlook
- Simon Property Group increased its full-year guidance for 2024 to $12.75 to $12.90 per share.
- The company remains optimistic about tenant demand and its ability to navigate potential macroeconomic slowdowns.
Bearish Highlights
- The company's total sales volume for the past 12 months decreased by 1.8% when including sales from two retailers.
- There are ongoing charges related to SPARC and J.C. Penney amounting to $33 million, mainly due to personnel and inventory costs.
- Express, a retailer under pressure, has filed for bankruptcy, which may affect the company's lease negotiations.
Bullish Highlights
- Simon Property Group saw a 2.3% quarter-over-quarter increase in total sales volume.
- The company has expertise in managing retailers post-bankruptcy and is actively involved in lease negotiations.
- The sale of Authentic Brands Group and the potential for stock buybacks demonstrate the company's strategic financial management.
Misses
- No update was provided on the previously assumed 25 basis points of bad debt from the last quarter.
- Specific information on the TRG property count was not disclosed.
Q&A Highlights
- The company is open to selling any assets at the right price, including SPARC and J.C. Penney, to find suitable investments or return capital to shareholders.
- Simon Property Group is generating capital for future use and maintains the flexibility to buy back stock or invest in external acquisitions.
- The company is focused on providing high-end services to consumers and has ongoing redevelopment projects to enhance the shopping experience.
In conclusion, Simon Property Group's first-quarter earnings call underscored the company's resilient performance and strategic initiatives aimed at growth and value creation for its shareholders. With a strong balance sheet and a clear focus on high-end consumer services, the company is well-positioned to maintain its momentum in the evolving retail landscape.
InvestingPro Insights
Simon Property Group (NYSE: SPG) has demonstrated a robust performance in the first quarter, and a closer look at some key metrics from InvestingPro provides further insights into the company's financial health and market position. With a market capitalization of $54.11 billion and a Price/Earnings (P/E) ratio of 20.66, the company is trading at a premium relative to near-term earnings growth. This high P/E ratio suggests that investors are willing to pay more for the company's earnings, potentially due to its status as a prominent player in the Retail REITs industry, as indicated by InvestingPro Tips.
The company's Price/Book ratio stands at 18.15, which is considered high, indicating that the stock might be valued richly in terms of its net assets. This could be reflective of the company's long-standing reputation for maintaining dividend payments, with a history of 31 consecutive years of payouts. The dividend yield currently stands at a healthy 5.4%, and there has been an 8.33% dividend growth over the last twelve months, which is likely appealing to income-focused investors.
In terms of stock price movements, Simon Property Group has experienced a significant price uptick of 28.82% over the last six months, underscoring a strong market performance. However, it's worth noting that the stock price has been quite volatile, which may be a consideration for risk-averse investors. Despite this volatility, analysts predict the company will be profitable this year, and it has indeed been profitable over the last twelve months.
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Full transcript - Simon Prop Grp (SPG) Q1 2024:
Operator: Greetings and welcome to the Simon Property Group First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tom Ward, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you, Mr. Ward, you may begin.
Tom Ward: Thank you, Camilla, and thank you all for joining us this evening. Presenting on today's call are David Simon, Chairman, Chief Executive Officer, and President; Brian McDade, Chief Financial Officer; and Adam Reuille, Chief Accounting Officer. A quick reminder that statements made during this call maybe deemed forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Safe Harbor of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, and actual results may differ materially due to a variety of risks, uncertainties, and other factors. We refer you to today's press release and our SEC filings for a detailed discussion of the risk factors relating to those forward-looking statements. Please note that this call includes information that may be accurate only as of today's date. Reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included within the press release and the supplemental information in today's Form 8-K filing. Both the press release and the supplemental information are available on our IR website at investors.simon.com. Our conference call this evening will be limited to one hour. For those who would like to participate in the question-and-answer session, we ask you please respect our request to limit yourself to one question. I'm pleased to introduce David Simon.
David Simon: Good evening. We're off to a good start with results that exceeded our plan. First quarter funds from operation were $1.33 billion or $3.56 per share compared to $1.03 billion or $2.74 per share last year. Let me walk you through some highlights for this quarter compared to Q1 of '23. Domestic operations had a very good quarter and contributed $0.09 of growth, driven by higher rental income. Gains from investment activity in the first quarter were approximately $0.75 higher year-over-year. OPI had a $0.02 after tax lower contribution compared to last year. Funds from operation from our Real Estate business was $2.91 per share in the first quarter compared to $2.82 in the prior year period, 3.2% growth rate. Domestic property NOI increased 3.7% year-over-year. We have continued leasing momentum, resilient consumer spending, and operational excellence delivered these results that were above our plan for the first quarter. Portfolio NOI, which includes our international properties at constant currency grew 3.9% for the quarter. NOI from OPI in the first quarter includes a $33 million charge in one-time restructuring charges at SPARC and J.C. Penney, excluding these one-time charges and a bargain purchase gain from Reebok transaction last year, NOI from OPI improved $5 million year-over-year and was on plan for the quarter. Remember, these retailers are on a fiscal year end of January 31st and the charges were part of their year-end closing process. They were not budgeted. Mall and occupancy at the end of the first quarter was 95.5%, an increase of 110 basis points compared to the prior year. Mills was 97.7%. Average base minimum rent for our malls and outlets increased 3% year-over-year and at the Mills 3.8% increase. Leasing momentum continued, as I mentioned, we signed more than 1,300 leases for approximately 6.3 million square feet. Approximately 25% of our leasing activity in the first quarter was new deal volume. We are approximately 65% complete with our '24 lease expirations and we continue to see strong broad-based demand from the retail community. Retail sales volume across the portfolio increased 2.3% for the first quarter compared to last year. Our tourist-oriented properties outperformed the portfolio average in the quarter with a 6% increase in sales. Reported retail sales per square foot in the first quarter was $745 a foot for our outlets and malls combined, which was flat year-over-year, excluding two retailers. Retail sales per square foot from our premium outlet platform reached an all-time high this quarter. Occupancy cost at the end of the first quarter was 12.6%. Now let me talk about other platform investments affectionately known as OPI. We sold our remaining interest in Authentic Brands Group during the first quarter for gross proceeds of close to $1.2 billion and recorded a pre-tax and after-tax gain of $415 million and $311 million, respectively. The sale in the first quarter combined with the sale in the fourth quarter yielded gross proceeds of $1.45 billion. We generated substantial value from the ABG investment and a 7x multiple on our net invested capital during our short ownership period. As a result of the sale of ABG and the restructuring charges that I mentioned earlier, one-time in nature at SPARC and Penny in the first quarter, we now expect FFO contribution from OPI to be around breakeven this year compared to the initial guidance of $0.10 to $0.15. For your reference, we budgeted the -- at OPI, the FFO from ABG around $0.08 per share, so roughly half of that was associated with ABG. Now moving on to new development and redevelopment, we opened an AC Hotel at St. Johns Center. We are opening Tulsa Premium outlets this summer, leasing is going great, and we have a significant expansion at Busan Premium outlets in South Korea this fall. At the end of the quarter, new development and redevelopment projects were underway across our platforms in the US and Internationally as well with our share of net cost of $930 million at a blended yield of 8%. We expect to start construction on additional projects in the next few months, including just shortly our residential project at Northgate Station in Seattle. What's interesting for us is we're able to build when others need to rely on construction lending market, which is, as you might imagine very difficult right now. We expect our starts to be around $500 million this year now. On our balance sheet, we retired $600 million of senior notes in the quarter. We ended the quarter with approximately $11.2 billion of liquidity. Today, we announced our dividend of $2 per share for the second quarter, a year-over-year increase of 8.1%. The dividend is payable on June 28 and given the transactions for this quarter and our results for this quarter, our current view for the remainder of the year, we're increasing the full range of our full year guidance of 2024 in the guidance range of $11.85 to, I'm sorry, let me restate that, we're increasing our range to $12.75 to $12.90 per share compared to $12.51 last year. This is an increase of $0.90 at the bottom end of the range and $0.85 at the midpoint. Needless to say, I'm very pleased with our first quarter results and our business and tenant demand continues to remain strong despite a cloudy macro-environment. Occupancy is increasing. Property NOI is growing. We made a significant profit on our ABG investment and everything is kind of moving in all the right directions. Thank you. We're ready for questions.
Operator: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Caitlin Burrows with Goldman Sachs (NYSE:GS). Please proceed with your question.
Caitlin Burrows: Hi. Good evening, everyone. Congrats on the solid quarter operationally and execution on the ABG sale. I guess there have been news reports that you could get involved in Express, so whether it's related to Express or the Simon's strategy going forward, can you give some insight to your current thinking on having ownership in Brands, what type of terms are attractive to you and how you balance that with the potential earnings volatility?
David Simon: Well, no one likes earnings volatility unless it's volatility in the right direction, okay. So, Caitlin, thank you for the comments to start, but that's -- I don't like volatility either. Listen, on Express, we were approached by the IP owner. I think it's not overly complicated in the sense that they saw, what we had done historically both with ABG and SPARC and offered us to participate with no capital, but also add our expertise and our knowledge in what we've been -- what we've done in the past with SPARC and because we have always valued Express as a retailer and as a client, we jumped at the -- at the opportunity. So we don't expect it -- we expect to be -- it's got to go through bankruptcy process and that's out of our control, but if WHP does end up getting it, we'd be pleased to participate in the turnaround of Express. And again we don't expect any capital as part of that participation. So when we get opportunities like that, we evaluate it, we look at the brand and the value of the brand, in this case, we're comfortable that Express is a good company and is a great brand and we can add value to it, and given the fact that we're able to hopefully turn around the retailer, save jobs, create the value from our investment, it's -- we see it as a win-win situation with no capital from our standpoint.
Caitlin Burrows: Great. Thanks for that.
David Simon: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Jeff Spector with Bank of America (NYSE:BAC). Please proceed with your question.
Lizzy Doykan: Hi. This is Lizzy Doykan on for Jeff. I was curious if you could talk a little bit more about the key drivers of retailer sales as we started the year and it seems like there's been some good outperformance from -- driven by especially your tourism-driven centers. So I'm just wondering how much that has been a factor into the first quarter of this year and how much upside there is remaining from tourism? Thanks.
David Simon: Sure. We feel very bullish on our portfolio in general and then obviously our tourist centers, especially in California and in the Northeast, are starting to finally see the improvement that we have been seeing for quite some time in Florida. And Florida continues to be an unbelievably strong market as well. So we're finally seeing California, Northeast pick up. Obviously, the strong dollar vis-a-vis certain currencies does have a -- an effect, kind of an inhibitor effect, but even with that said, domestic tourism continues to excel, and I think people, at the end of the day as part of when they go on holiday, they love -- they love shopping as part of that experience, dining, shopping, being with their families, and as I said earlier, I mean, we feel like the malls made a big comeback, physical stores or where it's happening, we're seeing a resurgence and reinvigoration of that whole product. So we're pleased is kind of where we're seeing things. So certainly the lower-income consumer has been under pressure now for quite some time. We're very focused on that. Obviously, inflation has taken its toll and even though inflation is moderating, the prices that the lower income consumers dealing with are quite daunting. So we'll continue to see volatility in that area we anticipate. We're hoping that their cost of living moderates and to some extent their wages go up or their cost of living goes down, so we can see more discretionary income there. The higher income consumer continues to spend and visits our properties and it's good. And as a good example of that is our traffic for the first quarter, I think, was up around 2% for the year, right, guys?
Brian McDade: Yes.
David Simon: So that's also a very good sign, okay.
Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Samir Khanal with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.
Samir Khanal: Good afternoon, everyone. David, Brian, you provided a same-store guide of at least 3% last quarter. I guess how do you feel about that guide today? You're doing 3.7% in the first quarter. Clearly, leasing has been strong, but we've also seen some announcements from Express rue21. I guess, how do you feel about that guide today? Thanks.
David Simon: Yeah, look, we don't -- we don't update that as you probably know, I think you know, we don't -- that's our goal for the year. We don't update it every quarter as some others might, but we still feel like that's even though we've got some unanticipated to some extent, I mean, we do create bogeys on our rental income stream on retailers that we do feel might come under pressure in the air, so we do have kind of adjustments in our budgeting process dealing with those. We still feel like our initial guidance on that is very achievable. So we don't update it every quarter, but if we didn't feel like we could achieve it and I think we would highlight that, but we don't see that even with some of the, I mean, we might not overachieve as we always want to but I think we can still deliver the initial guidance.
Samir Khanal: Thank you, David.
David Simon: Thank you.
Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Ronald Kamdem with Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS). Please proceed with your question.
Ronald Kamdem: Great. Just a quick one on the $500 million development starts. If you could just talk about sort of the opportunities there? And do you sort of still see opportunities to go on offense on sort of the mall space given that fundamentals are coming back and we know that there's going to be peers looking to sell assets, are there opportunities and appetite to go on offense on sort of buying more assets? Thanks.
David Simon: Sure. I think we've seen rates more or less stabilized now. There was volatility prior to that where it was hard to predict now. We're not anticipating a reduction in rates, but at least we feel like we're in a more or less a stable rate environment, that makes it easier to make investment decisions. So I would break it up into two buckets. The first bucket being our redevelopment effort and most of that frankly is mixed-use in our properties and we feel very bullish on that. Remember, you're talking about bringing on -- if it's a two to three-year process, you're talking about bringing on product in two to three years, not going to be any supply. We do a very good job of understanding supply and demand. The new better product always wins, so we are unabated in our mixed-use and we'll be doing some multi-family development both in Bray and Orange County. And as I mentioned, we just signed our GMP at Northgate Station to build about 300 units as part of that whole redevelopment. So that really goes unabated. That when you get to the external new deal environment, I would say, we have a lot of opportunities ahead of us and I think our job is just to prioritize, make sure we're valuing the opportunities right and we don't take our eye off the ball with what we're doing with our existing portfolio. So long story short, I probably would venture to say that there could be more external opportunities for us, but again, it's got to be great quality and at a fair price and assets where we think our expertise can add cash flow growth to them.
Ronald Kamdem: Thank you.
David Simon: Thank you.
Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Michael Goldsmith: Good evening. Thanks a lot for taking my question. David, you highlighted the health of the consumer seems like doing all right or managing through the environment, just given your positioning and the occupancy gains and the pricing power that you have, if there was some sort of macro slowdown, do you think -- how do you think you would be able to navigate it or maybe said another way, do you think the business has become a little bit less macro sensitive as you've -- as there's been consolidation and you've kind of become the place where -- where you've reached consumers in that luxury space? Thanks.
David Simon: Sure. Look, we are -- make no mistake about it, we are not immune to the macro environment. So we would have to deal with it both from -- if it ultimately led to less consumer spending and more retail client stress. We're not immune to it, however, and this is a big underline from my standpoint. I have always felt like we've done our best work when others are dealing with the macro environment. So -- and as I mentioned to you, we have $11 billion of liquidity in our comments earlier. So I think when -- and if -- and frankly I mean it's realistic to assume we may go through a reasonable slowdown here coming up. I think that's when we do our best work. That's when others get tired and throw in the towel, that's where we get rejuvenated. Hopefully, we're rejuvenated now, but this is when we really get motivated and I -- as I think back and I've had the luxury of being in the spot for 30 years. I think we do our very best work when the times get tough. So not wishing that on us or anyone, but it's a realistic probability. We won't be immune for it, but I think we'll further separate this company from our peers. So that -- I know that I have 100% confidence in that if that does happen, we'll have further separation.
Michael Goldsmith: Thank you very much.
David Simon: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Alexander Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Please proceed with your question.
Alexander Goldfarb: Hey, good afternoon out there. David, just want to go back to Caitlin's question. In response to the retailers, you said that it brings a lot of volatility, obviously, we all like volatility the right way, but you can't deny that you guys have made a ton, I guess, I could use a French word to describe the ton, but you guys have made a ton of money, billions, from these retailer investments. Yes, they are volatile, but they've been lucrative. So just want to get a better sense, is the Express model sort of a future where you guys will participate if you put in no capital or just trying to understand how you weigh the money that you've made versus the short-term or the quarterly earnings volatility, because clearly it's been a source of success for you.
David Simon: Yeah, that's an -- it's interesting, Alex. It's a very good question. And I think, honestly, we really focus on -- to the extent we do put in fresh capital. We -- in addition to understanding what it means for our overall business and the totality of our company, it's also absolutely driven by return on investment just like building a new shopping center, so. And again, yes, we have volatility, but in the scheme of things, again, and the fact that we've made money, I hope most folks are understanding that the volatility is really on the margin and I'll just give you a good example of -- and again, we take, FFO, as you know, is net income plus depreciation. Well, the contribution we get from our retailers is net income, which is fully burdened by depreciation, so there's no add-back. But to give you a simple analysis on just ABG as an example, so we cleared $1.450 billion of cash and that produced about $0.08 of earnings because we just picked up our share of net income. We only got -- we only -- as a shareholder there only -- we only would get tax distribution. It's a Sub-Chapter S essentially. So we'd only get our tax distributions, which amounted to $2 million a quarter, so that's $8 million, and if you take the $1.450 billion and you invested in the bank at 5.5%, that's $70 million. So we went from $8 million of cash flow to $70 million just selling that. So we look at every aspect of it, pre-tax after-tax, what does it mean to the portfolio, what is -- we don't want volatility, but we'll have -- we'll certainly accept it if we think it's going to be a good investment, and it all kind of goes into the analysis. We understand the market is not thrilled with it. So we try to also do it in a way that really, really does not make it the story, it is on the margin and it will always be on the margin, but we do think we can add value to the enterprise by some of these investments. And each investment is so idiosyncratic that it's hard to say, again, if Express happens, it's hard to say that that's the new model because I don't know that I can say that. I think every one of these things is somewhat idiosyncratic, but we do have the opportunity to do more than lease space in Alabama, someplace, or that's what this company is all about. We do more -- we're in South Korea. We're in in Jakarta. We're building in Tulsa. We're building apartments in Seattle. So I mean I'm waxing a little bit here but we think of ourselves broader than I think the market thinks of us, that's accumbent upon us and I think our disclosures have gotten better over time. I hope you agree, Alex, on OPI, so you can see it not detract from real estate, but at the same time, we're somewhat different than when you line us up to others that do some of what we do.
Alexander Goldfarb: And that was the point that you guys have this special thing. It's sort of like Kimco has their retailer unique thing and it would be a shame to do away with it if it was just volatility because clearly it's made you a lot of cash. So thank you for the answer.
David Simon: Thank you, Alex.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Craig Mailman with Citi. Please proceed with your question.
Nicholas Joseph: Thanks. It's Nick Joseph here with Craig. David, I just wanted to ask on kind of the opportunity to roll out additional luxury, either VIP suites or retailers. We saw what you did at Woodbury and I'm just curious on the opportunity for the remainder of the portfolio and what kind of demand do you think that will drive from some of these higher-income clientele that you're seeking?
David Simon: Listen, I think we've got a great portfolio of real estate that is focused on the very high income consumer. And I think, we need to step up our game in all the services that need to be provided to that consumer and I think Woodbury, Sawgrass are just the beginning of an effort to really -- I can't think of the right word, but really entertain that consumer to make it really special and it's all the services that they're accustomed to, it's the fine dining, it's the ease of access. It's right -- having the right retailer mix. So we probably have around 20 to 25 properties that are -- that have this high -- our centers are really big, so they obviously appeal to a broader range of consumers, which is the way we like it because that's also you diversify the ebbs and flows, but that -- but those 20, 25 centers really need special attention. We've got a great team that's dedicated to them. And in many cases, we're the preferred or certainly a meaningful landlord to the best retailers in the world and we want to -- we definitely want to stay in that spot. So a big push for us to step up our game when it's dealing with the very high-end consumer on all sorts of levels. And so I think what happens at Sawgrass with the oasis and the colonnade and what already happens at Woodbury, but we're just stepping up our game, will happen at Houston and King of Prussia, and if you saw what we did at Phipps in Atlanta, and what's going on at Boca Raton in Florida, just to name a few that jump out at me is really, really a high priority for the company.
Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Floris van Dijkum with Compass Point. Please proceed with your question.
Floris van Dijkum: Hey, thanks. David, I was going to ask you about luxury, but I was pipped, so instead I'm going to ask you about -- I'm going to ask you about capital recycling. Presumably your guidance, I mean, you just -- you cleared $1.2 billion on the ABG sale, sitting there in cash, and obviously, you do have some ongoing developments, but those are essentially funded from your retained cash flow, if you will. So the guidance assumes is that cash sits there uninvested essentially for the rest of the year or is there further upside, I guess, is what I'm getting at if you were to do something else with that cash to redeploy that into higher-yielding investments?
David Simon: Yeah, good -- very good question. It's actually -- we cleared in two months, $1.450 billion as you know, Floris, so I just wanted to mention that. But yeah, right now, our guidance just assumes, it sits in the bank and/or pays down debt, but that's basically it. So, no really -- no real redeployment is contemplated in our numbers at this point. Brian, if you want to add anything?
Brian McDade: Yeah, no, that's right. We've just assumed that we would hold the cash for the time being and we have debt maturities coming due here in September and October, and so we could use the cash on hand to fund that. We also are carrying cash from our activities -- My Capital Markets activities last year. So as a combination of it, we'll address our upcoming maturities.
Floris van Dijkum: Thanks.
David Simon: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Vince Tibone with Green Street. Please proceed with your question.
Vince Tibone: Hi, good evening. Could you elaborate on the charges taken in the first quarter related to SPARC and J.C. Penney? And then possibly related to that, kind of what is your near-term outlook in terms of J.C. Penney store closures just given foot traffic trends in recent years have not been great, so just curious how long you think the current store count and fleet is sustainable.
David Simon: Yeah. The charges pre-tax were $33 million, so, not -- most -- it's kind of funny, Vince, because most charges are in the hundreds of millions of dollars. So yeah, I think you have to put it in perspective. But with that said, it really dealt with personnel and inventory. So that were the two primary factors and more really on the inventory side because we had some clearance inventory that -- in SPARC, it was really focused on F21 and Penney just on basically clearing out some inventory. So, Penney, we're pleased with Penney. I'll just talk a moment about the store closings. They're very interesting. They don't -- Penney is able to produce positive EBITDA even if there's not high sales. I think they do out of the box. So I don't really -- in fact I think Penney almost can be a beneficiary opening new stores as opposed to closing stores. I'm sure there'll be a few here and there, but most of all of their stores are positive EBITDA, and so they have a very good way of having positive EBITDA out of what, I call, low-volume stores. And again, this is what's interesting to us. Penney is not public. So you know what matters to me, Vince, cash flow, EBITDA and that obviously sales -- comp sales are important, right. But as long as we're profitable out of the stores, there's no Wall Street pressure that we've got to narrow the store count. I don't necessarily believe shrink to grow. It's very -- it's very hard to achieve, maybe you can achieve it. My history, not overly long, but long enough. It's -- I don't care what industry, it's very hard to do. Some have done it, but to me, if it's got positive EBITDA, there's nothing wrong with maintaining that store for the community. You certainly don't want to lower standards of how you operate it, but if you can create cash flow, doesn't necessarily mean you have to reinvest that much in it and you can use that cash flow to reinvest in other elements of your business. So I don't anticipate long story short. I really don't anticipate much portfolio real estate activity at the JCP level.
Vince Tibone: No, that's really helpful color. Maybe just a quick follow-up on that. I'm just curious, given the ownership structure, I mean, are you guys able to pursue recapturing some of these boxes at your best properties to unlock mixed-use development opportunities, or how would that work given your foot ownership with Brookfield?
David Simon: Yeah, well, look, I think as part of the deal originally, first of all, our relationship with Brookfield is excellent and our -- we both basically -- and ABG is an investor in there as well, but we very much see eye-to-eye on J.C. Penney and how it operates -- how we should operate it, and I would say, both of us -- now my memory is a little bit cloudy, but when we did the restructuring we did get -- both of us got the opportunity to reclaim or reclaim certain space from J.C. Penney that we could redevelop. So it's a good question, and the fact is, we are about to embark upon one that you'll see an announcement in the near future where we are going to ultimately redevelop a J.C. Penney at one of our centers. So I don't remember the exact count. I don't remember exactly how much Brookfield, but as part of the part of the bankruptcy process and negotiation with each other, we did give each other the right to do that. And so what happens there is we get notice to the company. It's already documented and we get the -- and we can -- in this case, it's a lease, so there's nothing to pay. We just cancel the lease. Now obviously, store is a little bit profitable, very profitable for J.C. Penney, so we're going to have to find them some new opportunities to make up for it, but that's all part of the deal. So I think there'll be a handful like that, both from us and Brookfield that we'll be able to do. But -- and again, that was all pre-negotiated. To the extent that there is one that wasn't part of that negotiation, that's pretty -- given our relationship with Brookfield pretty straightforward, we come up with a value or they come up with a value. Obviously, the J.C. Penney management team would have to be part of that and they would get the appropriate value to redevelop that project.
Vince Tibone: Thank you. All great color.
David Simon: Thank you.
Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Juan Sanabria with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Juan Sanabria: Hi. Good afternoon. Just hoping to ask about the watchlist of bad debt. I believe you said you had assumed 25 basis points last quarter. Has that changed now at all? And if so maybe if you could break out the Express impact? And in your prepared comments, you talked about sales on a per square feet basis being flat, stripping out two tenants, just curious on the color of why those two tenants were stripped out, if there's any interesting.
David Simon: Yeah, let me answer that. I think the two tenants really -- I mean even if we didn't -- I think it's just color for you to know that generally, the portfolio was flat. We don't like to name tenants, so we don't focus on it. I'd also, I think, point out to you the most important thing we look is total volume and we were up quarter-over-quarter. What was the number again? 2.3%. That's really the number we look at, and again, remember, these are reported sales. We can get into this whole diatribe about some of the retailers credit their sales with Internet returns. So it's just information, okay? Do what you want with it, but it's just information. But our sales, if you include the two retailers, the last 12 months was down 1.8% on a rolling 12 basis. But total -- because not all those are comp, total was up 2.3%, which is the more important number. Now we'd also just to -- and Brian can add in here, now that I'm talking, I might as well just finish. We don't -- as part of our discussion, we'll never get into a retailer-specific response, but obviously, bankruptcy for tenants has a lot of -- a lot goes on, leases have to be rejected depending on where they were on that and what happened. So we -- in our comp NOI, we have our bad debt expense. I think I gave you some color. We still feel like it's achievable. So -- but again, I don't think, and then Brian can add -- we're not going to really give you color too much on Express, but we do put in, when we model our business for the year, we do put in unforeseen circumstances and we try to budget appropriately for retailers that are under pressure, and in this case, we kind of knew Express was in that spot, but a lot remains to be seen how Express comes out of bankruptcy and the ultimate financial impact.
Juan Sanabria: Thank you.
David Simon: Thank you.
Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Haendel St. Juste with Mizuho. Please proceed with your question.
Haendel St. Juste: Hey, good evening. Thanks for taking the question. A quick two-parter here. First, I wanted to follow-up on Floris' question on the uses for the cash from the retail monetization. The stock is $35 or so higher than what you lost back, so I assume it's fair -- is that fair to assume that buying back stock is less likely here? And are there any special dividends that need to be paid on that gain? And then my second part of the question is, we noticed that the TRG property count dropped to 18 properties versus 20 last quarter, what happened there? Thanks.
David Simon: I'll let Brian, you can -- I hope you can answer all these, I expect you to.
Brian McDade: I can. With respect to TRG, there were two properties. One was a partner buying out our interest. So the property count went down by two in the quarter. With respect to –
David Simon: Well tell them the two.
Brian McDade: Fair Oaks and Country Club are the two assets that are -- that the partner is buying us out or bought us out. With respect to capital on the balance sheet, certainly, it's capital allocation decision relative to stock buyback. But we -- with the amount of capital that we are generating both free cash flow and what's on our balance sheet, it is still an appropriate use of capital throughout the balance of the year and would expect it. We would have interest in buying back our stock at certain levels.
David Simon: Yeah, and I would -- I would just add to that, that the ABG sale happened, I don't remember exactly, but near quarter-end, and we were blacked out from that because of Q1 earnings. So I wouldn't read that the fact that it's sitting on the balance sheet to read too much into that.
Haendel St. Juste: Got it. I appreciate that. And the special dividend, anything on that front?
Brian McDade: There is no required special dividend. These were -- this interest was owned in our taxable REIT subsidiaries. There will be a tax actual payment due, not actually a special dividend.
Haendel St. Juste: Got it. Got it. Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Linda Tsai with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Linda Tsai: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. A two-parter. I appreciate the fact that you won't provide capital to Express, but could you just give more color on how you would be providing assistance to the brand?
David Simon: Well, I think, obviously there is a couple of elements. The first -- the most important one is that we have the history of running a retailer coming out of bankruptcy. So I think for better or worse, I think it's better, but others may not agree with me, there's a certain expertise in doing that and we've and I think what our potential partner sees on that is that we can bring to the table. So I wouldn't underestimate that. That's one. Number two is, as part of any bankruptcy, we're going to have a lease negotiation. Some leases will get restructured, some won't, some will pay what the existing rent is and so on, so -- but that happens regardless of whether or not we're involved or not. So that's just part of the bankruptcy process. We go space-by-space and find out -- we kind of find out what we'd like to do, maybe short-term leases, so on and so forth. But that -- we're not alone in that, any other landlord will have to come to their own conclusion on what they want to do with if part of rent adjustment is necessary to get the brand on solid financial footing.
Linda Tsai: And do you have any clarity on the store closures at all because one of your much smaller peers expects to close 65% of its stores in 2Q?
David Simon: We are not involved in that process. That's really management. So I have no point of view or no opinion on that at all. That whole process is part of -- we really won't -- we really won't get involved until we're approved as the stocking horse bidder. So that -- all that's going on today with the dip and everything else is all part of -- it's all the existing management team. We have no involvement in that whatsoever.
Linda Tsai: Thank you.
David Simon: Sure.
Operator: And our next question comes from the line of Mike Mueller with JPMorgan (NYSE:JPM). Please proceed with your question.
Simon Hong: Yeah, hey, guys, it's Hong on for Mike. I guess I was wondering, can you give us an idea of where -- of what tank categories you're seeing most of the demand from in your malls? Is it -- I'm just wondering if it's broad-based and/or how much of it is apparel versus the other categories?
David Simon: Honestly, it's across the board, restaurants, entertainment, athleisure, sports-related, it's the Bigger Boxes, the Uniqlos, Primarks of the world, Zara. It is -- this is where I give a shout-out to Rick as he used to go through it, but we're seeing it, Abercrombie, we're doing a lot of new opportunities with Mango, Golden Goose, just to name a few, Knitwell, JD (NASDAQ:JD) Sports, Alo, Lululemon (NASDAQ:LULU) is growing with us, upsizing a lot of properties. Our house is a great company that we're doing business with, Pinstripes, number of restaurants, restaurant tours, it's very, very, very encouraging because it's so diverse.
Simon Hong: Got it. If I could sneak one other question, and I guess the$745 square foot sales, is that portfolio weighted or NOI-weighted?
David Simon: Portfolio weighted. I'm sorry just portfolio pure. If it was NOI-weighted, we used to do that, it's like $950 higher.
Brian McDade: $950 plus or minus.
David Simon: Okay. $950, thereabouts.
Simon Hong: Perfect. Thanks.
David Simon: Sure.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Greg McGinniss with Scotiabank. Please proceed with your questions.
Greg McGinniss: Hey, David. Good afternoon. Just on looking at the volatility of the retail investments, what are the drivers to keep SPARC and J.C. Penney on balance sheet as opposed to the ABG investment? And would you look to sell those in the near future?
David Simon: Well, again, they're equity-accounted, so they're really not on our balance sheet, just make it clear. So there are investments in them. Listen, they are -- we build a company where everything is core and nothing is core. So, we saw ABG, we got an offer, we hit the bid. I would view that for any and all assets that we have, whether it's J.C. Penney, SPARC, XYZ mall. Call Uncle David and not most people don't hit my bid, but the only thing that's core is, the company and its people and its balance sheet, but every other assets for sale at the right price, so nothing is critical long-term. And again, look, guys, we're talking about volatility and the reality is, the volatility has been mostly on the upside. And again, we're a company that earns $12 and we're talking about $0.10 or cents here or there, so it's -- I just want to put everything more or less in perspective but there's nothing that I wouldn't sell at the right price across the company and worldwide, period, end of story. And it's very simple, you know why? Because we got the cash, I know we would find an appropriate investment that would replace the earnings lost. It's really that simple or we give it to the shareholders or we buy our stock back. So I am at the -- I am at the point of the highest level of indifference about monetizing an asset as you'll see.
Greg McGinniss: Great. Thanks for the color.
David Simon: Sure.
Operator: Thank you. We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. And with that, I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. David Simon for any closing comments.
David Simon: Okay. Thank you. Sorry, we -- I know it's the end of earnings season. We always -- we're always late in the Q1 because we're tied to our Annual Meeting next -- on Wednesday, but thank you for your interest and your questions, very good questions. Appreciate it. Thank you.
Operator: This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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