Builders FirstSource, Inc. (BLDR) has reported robust first-quarter results for the year 2024, showcasing the company's strength in a challenging market environment. With a focus on their value-added products and digital platform, the company navigated headwinds from a softening multifamily market and rising mortgage rates.
The company announced net sales of $3.9 billion, a gross margin over 33%, and adjusted EBITDA of $541 million, despite a 14% decrease from the previous year. Builders FirstSource remains confident in achieving its digital revenue targets and is committed to maintaining operational excellence and innovation.
Key Takeaways
- Builders FirstSource reported $3.9 billion in net sales and a gross margin over 33% for Q1 2024.
- Adjusted EBITDA stood at $541 million, marking a 14% decline from the previous year.
- The company completed two acquisitions and executed a $1 billion note offering, enhancing financial flexibility.
- The digital platform launched in February is gaining traction, with significant orders and sales.
- Builders FirstSource reaffirmed its 2024 guidance, with expected total net sales of $17.5 billion to $18.5 billion and adjusted EBITDA of $2.4 billion to $2.8 billion.
Company Outlook
- The company expects consistent declines in multifamily sales throughout 2024.
- Forecasts include total net sales of $17.5 billion to $18.5 billion and adjusted EBITDA of $2.4 billion to $2.8 billion for the year.
- Builders FirstSource remains focused on strategic investments in value-added products, install services, and digital solutions.
Bearish Highlights
- Multifamily sales declined over 13% due to tough comparisons.
- R&R and other sales dropped by almost 5% due to inclement weather.
- Gross margins decreased by 190 basis points due to a shift in product mix and margin normalization.
- Adjusted net income decreased by $83 million compared to the previous year.
Bullish Highlights
- Single-family sales increased by over 4%.
- The company saw strong growth in the services segment, driven by existing markets and customer interest.
- Positive sales trends were reported in the western US.
Misses
- Adjusted EBITDA was down approximately 14% from the prior year.
- SG&A expenses increased by $22 million, mainly due to acquired operations.
Q&A Highlights
- CEO Peter Jackson expressed confidence in meeting the company's forecast for the rest of the year.
- The company is managing labor costs effectively and expects leverage in SG&A during the summer months.
- Builders FirstSource is prepared to capitalize on M&A opportunities, with a robust pipeline that aligns with their strategic focus.
- The digital platform is gaining adoption, particularly among mid to smaller-sized builders.
- Market share determination is challenging due to differences between starts and sales, as well as cost reductions in the housing market.
Builders FirstSource remains committed to growth and efficiency, even as it faces market challenges such as higher interest rates and a weakening multifamily sector. The company's strategic investments and operational initiatives have positioned it to navigate these headwinds successfully. With a robust M&A pipeline and a strong focus on value-added products and digital solutions, Builders FirstSource is poised to maintain its momentum and deliver on its financial targets for the remainder of the year.
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Full transcript - Builders FirstSource Inc (BLDR) Q1 2024:
Operator: Good day everyone and welcome to the Builders FirstSource First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is scheduled to last about one hour, including remarks by management and the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I’d now like to turn the call over to Heather Kos, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations for Builders FirstSource. Please go ahead.
Heather Kos: Good morning and welcome to our first quarter 2024 earnings call. With me on the call are Dave Rush, our CEO; and Peter Jackson, our CFO. The earnings press release and investor presentation are available on our website at investors.bldr.com. We will refer to the investor presentation during our call. The results discussed today include GAAP and non-GAAP results adjusted for certain items. We provide these non-GAAP results for informational purposes and they should be considered in isolation from the most directly comparable GAAP measures. You can find the reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the corresponding GAAP measures where applicable and a discussion of why we believe they can be useful to investors in our earnings press release, SEC filings, and presentation. Our remarks in the press release, presentation, and on this call contain forward-looking and cautionary statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act and projections of future results. Please review the forward-looking statements section in today’s press release and in our SEC filings for various factors that could cause our actual results to differ from forward-looking statements and projections. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Dave.
Dave Rush: Thank you, Heather. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our call. Our resilient first quarter results reflect our differentiated product portfolio and scale, our team members consistent focus on executing our strategic priorities, and our operational efficiency initiatives. As we expected, a weakening multifamily market and higher mortgage rates, driving affordability challenges were headwinds to start the year. Despite these micro challenges, we built on our successes and drove growth through our value-added products portfolio in our industry-leading digital platform. We are committed to advancing innovation and delivering exceptional customer service as a trusted and preferred partner to our customers. We are focused on executing our clear strategic pillars as shown on Slide 3. Our investments in value-added products, install services, and digital solutions are driving organic growth, delivering greater efficiency and empowering the next generation of homebuilding. For those who are new to the BFS story, value-added products include manufactured components such as Trusses, READY-FRAME, and Wall Panels, as well as Windows, Doors and Millwork. Through our value-added products and install services, we help meet our customer needs, such as reducing cycle-times, addressing labor constraints, and improving home construction quality. With our Digital Tools, we are providing our customers with a more efficient and cost-effective way to manage the construction of their homes that will increase existing customer stickiness, win new business, and improve our operational efficiency. We remain committed to innovation and continuously seeking to do things better. We have a robust set of operational and productivity initiatives and are focused on leveraging our scale and fixed cost, while delivering the highest quality products and services to our customers. We are deploying capital in a disciplined manner with a proven M&A strategy and a track record of buying back shares at competitive prices. Working alongside the best team in the industry, I am confident that we will continue to compound long-term shareholder value and achieve our strategic priorities. Let's turn to our first quarter highlights on Slide 4. We continued to deliver strong margins in Q1, reflecting our end-segment diversification, focused execution, and differentiated product portfolio and scale. Our gross margins of more than 33% reflect a higher mix of value-added products, including multifamily trust and our ability to manufacture more efficiently. We expect the multifamily in segment to progressively normalize over the course of this year, and we continue to see some normalization in core margins. Moving to Slide 5. We're off to a strong start on our strategic initiatives. Our full digital product launch at the International Builders Show in February was an exciting milestone. At a high level, our digital tools do three things: one, solve customer pain points; two, make it even easier to partner with us and our suppliers; and three, help us gain incremental business from new and existing customers. It's a win-win, and we're excited about how everything is going so far after the launch. We're focused on operational excellence and innovation and using playbooks of proven best practices to increase our safety, efficiency and wallet share with customers. One area where we're using playbooks is with our installed services business. Our install sales increased by 17% year-over-year as we leverage our capabilities to help customers address labor constraints. Additionally, we drove $40 million in productivity savings in Q1, primarily through procurement and SG&A initiatives. We believe prudent expense management leads to maximum operational flexibility. This includes optimizing our footprint and balancing cost reductions against future capacity demands. We will remain disciplined managers of just discretionary spending no matter the operating environment. Early momentum in single-family has slowed as persistent inflation has cooled short-term expectations for interest rate reductions. However, low existing home inventories and pent-up demand provide an environment where growth has continued to build. Builders across the board are having to navigate affordability issues and challenges with the regulatory environment, land development and infrastructure. It's evident that the large national builders have done a good job of utilizing specs, reducing home sizing, home sizes and providing interest rate buydowns to assist buyers with affordable options. Smaller builders were more likely to benefit from rate cuts. We are staying in close contact with our customers of all sizes to maximize our business in the current environment. As we have detailed on prior calls, multifamily became a headwind in Q1 as our activity levels and record backlogs have declined versus the prior year. It is important to note, however, that multifamily remains a strong contributor to gross margins and EBITDA even at current levels. Turning to M&A on Slide 6. We continue to target attractive opportunities while remaining financially disciplined. In the first quarter, we completed two deals with aggregate 2023 sales of roughly $36 million. In early February, we acquired Quality door and millwork, a leading distributor of millwork doors and windows in Southern Idaho. In March, we acquired Hanson Trust, which further strengthens our value-added position in Northern California and Nevada. And last week, we acquired Shuterman's [ph] Building Materials. Shuterman's [ph] manufactures trusses and distributes building materials in the Sioux Falls, South Dakota area. We are excited to welcome these talented new team members to the BFS family. M&A and organic investments have increased value-added products as a percent of our overall mix by 700 basis points over the past two years and by 1,000 basis points if you go back to 2019. Our success with this strategy has been a core component of our improved margin profile through the cycle. We believe there is a long runway of M&A targets in our fragmented market, and we are pleased with recent improvements in the pipeline. Our disciplined approach to M&A includes increasing our market position in desirable geographies, extending our lead in value-added and specialty solutions and enhancing customer retention. On Slide 7, we provide an update on capital allocation. During the first quarter, we completed a $1 billion note offering which brought us additional financial flexibility to grow organically and remain acquisitive while maintaining a strong balance sheet. In addition to the two tuck-in acquisitions, we repurchased $20 million of shares as proven by our track record, we'll continue to buy back shares while allocating capital to high-return opportunities. We remain on track to strategically deploy $5.5 billion to $8.5 billion of capital from 2024 to 2026 as outlined at Investor Day last December. Now let's turn to Slides 8 and 9 for an update on our digital strategy. As the only provider of an end-to-end digital platform in our space, we believe BFS digital tools will be transformative for the industry and a substantial driver of organic growth. Our easy-to-use portal myBLDR.com seamlessly delivers our full digital capabilities to our customers. It is designed to create efficiencies for our team members and improved service for our customers by offering increased transparency and engagement in the homebuilding process. Combined with our proprietary estimating and configuration tools, our customers will have more control over the entire building process. This will save time and money for both our customers and their clients while making the homebuilding process more personalized. We were proud to highlight the full digital product capabilities at IBS in February. Our customers told us the new tools address an unmet need, and they were excited to use them in their businesses. Since launch in late February, we have seen orders on the digital platform go from nearly 0 to over $60 million. In Q1, we had incremental sales of over $10 million. We remain confident in our ability to meet our targets of $200 million of incremental digital revenue by the end of this year and $1 billion by 2026, as we grow wallet share and win new customers. One of our digital tools, build Optimized uses advanced 3D modeling to identify construction classes and resolve mechanical design conflicts before breaking ground. It ensures architects, builders and trades are coordinated and building to the same plan. As a proof point of the advantages of using this transformative tool, we've seen interest from 4 large builders. One of these customers has used it in 3 markets and 13 communities across 34 plants. On average, we have identified 150 conflicts per plant, resolving those conflicts before construction leads to job site time and cost savings. One of my favorite initiatives at BFS is acknowledging team members who go above and beyond [indiscernible] in Atlanta, Georgia personifies this quality. Ira began with BFS in 1996 as a driver helper and rose through the ranks to operations manager and now oversees our new Atlanta Millwork facility in Decola. Ira has the respect of his team members because he's willing to do whatever it takes to solve problems and add value for our customers. Recently, when there was no available drivers for an urgent customer delivery that had to arrive that day, Ira drove the box truck himself to take care of the customer. I'm grateful for Ira drive to lead by example, a quality we find consistently in leaders across BFS. I'll now turn the call over to Peter to discuss our financial results in greater detail.
Peter Jackson: Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. Our first quarter results demonstrated the effectiveness of our strategy and operating model. We are maintaining our fortress balance sheet and prudently deploying capital to the highest return opportunities. We've included acquisitions and share repurchases during the quarter. We are leveraging our sustainable competitive advantages and strong financial position to drive future growth and value creation for our customers and shareholders. I will cover 3 topics with you this morning. First, I'll recap our first quarter results. Second, I'll provide an update on our capital deployment. And finally, I'll discuss our 2024 guidance and related assumptions. Let's begin by reviewing our first quarter performance on Slides 10 and 11. We delivered $3.9 billion in net sales, driven by growth from acquisitions of 1.9% [indiscernible] offset by commodity deflation of 1.7%. Core organic sales in line with the prior year were driven by a single-family increase of more than 4% amid higher sales of early-stage homebuilding products. From a geographic perspective, East sales were down mid-single digits, Central was flat and the West was up mid-teens. As we signaled and expected, multifamily declined more than 13% as we lapped the prior year's strong comps. R&R and other also declined by almost 5% due to weakness predominantly in the Northeast from inclement weather. As we mentioned last quarter, inclement weather negatively impacted our operations in Q1 by roughly 3% to 4% of our overall sales. Value-added products represented approximately 52% of our net sales during the first quarter, reflecting our strength and customer stickiness for these higher-margin products. During the first quarter, gross profit was $1.3 billion, increased approximately 5% compared to the prior year period. Gross margins were 33.4%, decreasing 190 basis points, mainly due to a timing shift in product mix towards lower margin, early stage homebuilding products, as well as margin normalization, particularly in multifamily. SG&A increased $22 million to $926 million, primarily attributable to acquired operations. As a percentage of net sales, total SG&A increased 50 basis points to 23.8%. The team has done an excellent job managing SG&A, and we stand ready to leverage our fixed costs into the growing market. Adjusted EBITDA was $541 million, down approximately 14%, primarily driven by lower gross profit and higher operating expenses. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 13.9%, down 240 basis points from the prior year. Adjusted net income of $327 million was down $83 million from the prior year due to lower gross profit and higher operating expenses, primarily due to acquisitions. Adjusted earnings per diluted share was $2.65, a decrease of 11% compared to the prior year. On a year-over-year basis, share repurchases added roughly $0.29 per share for the first quarter. Now let's turn to our cash flow, balance sheet and liquidity on slide 12. Our Q1 operating cash flow was approximately $317 million, down $337 million compared to the prior year period, mainly attributable to lower net income and an increase in net working capital. Capital expenditures for the quarter were $90 million, and free cash flow was approximately $228 million. For the last 12 months ended March 31st, our free cash flow yield was approximately 6%, while operating cash flow return on invested capital was 22%. Our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio was approximately 1.1 times, while base business leverage was 1.2 times. In February, we completed a $1 billion private offer of 6.375% senior unsecured notes due 2034, which enables a maximum financial flexibility to grow organically and remain acquisitive. Excluding our ABL, we have no long-term debt maturities until 2030. At quarter end, our total liquidity was approximately $2.4 billion, consisting of $1.7 billion in net borrowing availability under the revolving credit facility and approximately $700 million of cash on hand. Moving to capital deployment. During the first quarter, we repurchased roughly 100,000 shares for $20 million at an average stock price of $202.67 per share. Since the inception of our buyback program in August of 201, we have repurchased 42.2% of total shares outstanding at an average price of $70.42 per share for $6.1 billion. We have $980 million remaining on our share repurchase authorization. We remain disciplined stewards of capital and have multiple paths for value creation to maximize returns. Now let's turn to our outlook, which we are reaffirming on Slide 13. For full year 2024, we expect total company net sales to be $17.5 billion to $18.5 billion. We expect adjusted EBITDA to be $2.4 billion to $2.8 billion. Adjusted EBITDA margin is forecasted to be 14% to 15%, and we are guiding gross margins to a range of 30% to 33%, which is in line with our long-term normalized expectation. Our recent margins reflect above normal multifamily performance on top of our greater mix of value-added products along with the disciplined pricing required to offset increased operating costs. We expect full year 2024 free cash flow of $1 billion to $1.2 billion. The free cash flow forecast assumes average commodity prices in the range of $400 to $440 per thousand. Our 2024 outlook is based on several assumptions and includes an expectation for improving single-family growth. Please refer to our earnings release in Slide 14 of the investor presentation for a list of these key assumptions. As you all know, we do not typically give quarterly guidance, but we wanted to provide directional color for Q2 given the ongoing interest rate uncertainty and the geopolitical situation. On a year-over-year basis, we expect Q2 net sales to be down low single digits to flat as single-family growth is offset by expected multifamily headwinds. Year-over-year adjusted EBITDA is expected to be down high teens in Q2, primarily given the impact of continued multifamily normalization. Turning to Slides 15 and 16. As a reminder, our base business approach showcases the underlying strength and profitability of our company by normalizing sales and margins for commodity volatility. This helps to clearly assess the core aspects of the business where we have focused our attention to drive sustainable outperformance. Our base business guide on net sales for 2024 is approximately $17.6 billion. Our base business adjusted EBITDA guide is approximately $2.4 billion at a margin of 13.5%. As I wrap up, I want to reiterate that we are confident in the near-term outlook, our exceptional positioning to execute our strategic goals and our ability to create shareholder value in any environment. With that, let me turn the call back over to Dave for some final thoughts.
Dave Rush: Thanks, Peter. Let me close by summarizing how we're set up to drive long-term profitable growth by executing our strategic pillars. We believe we are the unquestioned leader in addressing our customers' pain points through our focus on customer service, value-added products and install services. Our industry-leading digital innovations are bringing greater efficiency to homebuilding and will win us new customers and grow wallet share along the way. Our robust free cash flow generation is funding disciplined capital deployment that will maximize returns and compound long-term shareholder value. We have a proven playbook for growth during complex operating environments, and we'll keep working to be the best and deliver excellence every day. Thank you again for joining us today. Operator, please open the call now for questions.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] And it does appear we have our first question from Matthew Bouley with Barclays (LON:BARC).
Matthew Bouley: Hey, everyone. Thank you for taking the questions. I'll start out on the second quarter. I'm wondering what's inside in the second quarter gross margin. It seems that you're kind of moving into that full year range of 30% to 33% in the second quarter, but correct me if I'm wrong. I know we're talking about normalization in both multifamily and the core, so within that second quarter gross margin, can we say that the over earn in both multifamily and the core is entirely rolled off or not yet entirely rolled off -- so would there be sort of more to come beyond the second quarter? Thank you.
Peter Jackson: Matt, thanks for the question. So the margins that we're seeing are really in line with what we were expecting. The multifamily business specifically, I think, outlined it a couple of times, but for everybody just to restate it, we'll continue to normalize. We will continue to go down over the course of the year. Sales will continue to decline back towards normal, and we'll continue to see margins as a percentage return back to normal as the year progresses. So not over, but it's very much in line with what we were expecting. Margins -- there's a couple of things going on. We've talked about margin normalization being between 30 and 33. We think that's an accurate forecast. Just keep in mind that normalization in this instance, would assume normal starts, which we're not quite back to yet. But that said, our guide for the year is still within that range. We've seen some good things hold on longer, and we think that's going to sustain us to be able to get to our guide for the year on margins. But it's performing about like we expected. It's not a surprise in terms of where the rates -- where the margin levels are.
Matthew Bouley: Okay. Thanks for that, Peter. Secondly, the multifamily revenue impact, clearly, it's quite concentrated in the manufacturing products. I see multifamily was down 13% in Q1. It looks like you have one more, I think, tough year-over-year comparison in multifamily here in the second quarter. So I guess within the second quarter guide, is the assumption that multifamily is down sort of more than it was in the first quarter. Would that imply that Q2 is sort of the low point for multifamily year-over-year with lesser declines in the second half? Or should we assume that we should look for kind of a consistent headwind for multifamily declines through the balance of the year? Thank you.
Peter Jackson: Yes, it's the latter. You should expect a consistent decline from multifamily throughout the year. It's a long lead time product category. We've got pretty good visibility to what we're expecting to see. There's certainly a bit of slippage from one month to the not to the next in any given period. But I think what we're seeing and expecting in multifamily is another big decline in Q2 and a sort of a consistent year-over-year decline throughout the end of the year. We'll, of course, update you as we learn more.
Matthew Bouley: Perfect. Thanks Peter. Thanks Dave. Good luck guys.
Operator: And we have our next question from Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets.
Mike Dahl: Morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I want to ask, I guess, is effectively a follow-up there. When we think about what's implied for the second half, if we look at the 1Q results in the 2Q, directional color. At the midpoint, it requires double-digit top line growth and kind of 15% EBITDA margins in the high end would be kind of like mid-teens top line growth and 16% EBITDA margin, both of those, just given the multifamily decline, your comments just now about further normalization in gross margin. It kind of seems difficult. So, maybe you can help us there. I guess it's a roundabout way of asking more directly. When you look at the full year guide, is there a point in the range that you think you're leaning more towards at this point, like midpoint or lower or midpoint or higher? Maybe just help us understand how that's evolved.
Peter Jackson: Morning Mike, thanks for the question. In short, we're really confident in the forecast, the way it's laid out. That guide is something that you put out there and feel good about reaffirming. The growth that you're talking about is already happening. So, I think it came through in some of our materials. I think there's maybe this expectation that our whole business moves in the same way in the same quarter. And that's really not what we're seeing here, right? You're seeing the early parts of the building process, the lumber, the truss, the stuff that hits the job site early after the start, doing great. We're growing. The momentum is building. There are certainly some headwinds we're dealing with. I mean we talked a little bit about that. I'm sure we'll talk more. But the business is performing very well in that category. We've not yet started to see the tailwind, the uplift from some of the later building process products, right, the doors, the millwork, they are also good for us. But we have every confidence that that's coming, that that's going to continue to be a good tailwind for us. There are, of course, a lot of questions about what the overall market in single family is going to do, a lot of questions about interest rates. But again, let's not forget, there's a lot of demand out there. There are a lot of confident homebuilders. There are a lot of good units and good production momentum going on, and we're participating. So, we're not concerned about delivering based on everything we're seeing today, but we do have to digest multifamily. I think we've been very transparent about that. It's working like we expected, and things are playing out. So, yes, the back half of the year needs to be growing. But again, we're seeing good momentum that we think will pass through on the early-stage products. We're seeing good growth in categories that we've leaned into, value-add, install, and we continue to be active in M&A. So, certainly, a lot to be confident in. We're happy with the business and not shy about what we're seeing for the rest of the year.
Dave Rush: Yes. The only thing I'd add is echo the overarching demand profile continues to be strong. I think the timing of when they actually execute the buy is kind of what is a little more volatile than the expectation that they will execute the buy. And that's part of it but our Builders customers are still indicating that they are seeking that demand and they're expecting the similar trajectory that we've forecasted for ourselves for the back out.
Mike Dahl: Okay. Got it. Thank you. And then shifting gears just to capital deployment and maybe specifically the buyback. I mean, you've got plenty of liquidity. Your leverage is low. The buyback was really just nominal this quarter for the first time in a while. What can we take away from that and maybe anything more specific about how you envision deploying capital through the year?
Peter Jackson: Yes. We're -- you're right, we're sitting on about $700 million in cash plus all of the capacity in the ABL, lots of cool M&A popping, right? I mean, we've done a couple of small deals so far, but we're sitting on a bunch of dry powder and excited about what the opportunities look like. We'll have to see how they play out. But at this moment in time, we're ready to take advantage of the opportunities that are going to present themselves. That's kind of how you should read that. A little bit of a slow start to the year, but we're feeling good.
Mike Dahl: Okay. Thank you.
Peter Jackson: Thank you.
Operator: And we have our next question from Trey Grooms with Stephens.
Trey Grooms: ...and everyone. I also want to touch on the guidance, believe it or not. You guys mentioned -- well, first off, you reiterated the full year, you mentioned that multifamily is going about as you expected. And clearly, you guys have been very vocal about your expectations and kind of the pullback there in multifamily and the impact it could have. But clearly, the 2Q guide is lower than what I think most were kind of modeling or expecting, but with you reiterating the full year guide, is it fair to say that kind of overall, the 2Q is kind of tracking as you would have thought? Any surprises there? Or maybe even any areas where it's coming in better or worse than you would have expected as we've moved so far through the year?
Dave Rush: Yeah. Thanks, Trey. What I would tell you is multifamily in specific some of that backlog is getting extended. So where at one point in time in the year, I may have thought more of those jobs would finish quicker. They're spread now. It's actually a good thing. It kind of smooth that transition for us in one way. The other thing I'd tell you about multifamily, our team has done a great job going after pseudo multifamily. Smaller multifamily projects, customers they haven't typically gone after that are helping also transition that. Hadn't started yet, but we're seeing a lot of good momentum in that space. Things like assisted living versus a four-level apartment complex. So, smaller jobs as you take them by themselves, but add it up, it'll help the transition. But single family is kind of operating the way we expected it to. There's been, it's never retracted below a level. It's a build and it's a continual build, but at the end of the day, is it as steep of a build as we would like of course not it's not as robust as we would like ever but it's steady and it's there and it doesn't retract that's an important factor is it is a build even as it's a slower build than we'd love to see. And we're adjusting that as we need to, to those market conditions.
Peter Jackson: The only thing I might add is there's nothing in what's happened that is a surprise to us in terms of the variables, all the variables I think we've accounted for. There are a couple of variables that were, I would say, bigger headwinds than we anticipated. I think that weather thing has certainly thrown us a curve ball. It will bounce back, but that's been a tricky one to navigate, particularly regionally. I think what builders have done to build homes more affordably, whether it be size of the home or complexity of the home there's some variability on that as well that we've been challenged with. But again, I think we're in line and we're doing what we said we were going to do despite those variables.
Dave Rush: Yes. And I would add, a good indicator for me is always our trust backlog. Our trust backlog is at healthy levels. It's continuing to build. That's an indicator for us of what's to come. And that if that was starting to slack off, I might give a little more word, but it's where it needs to be for us to be in a healthy situation.
Trey Grooms: Got it. All right. Well, thanks for all that color. I appreciate it. And hearing that you're very confident in the guide and being able to reiterate it is encouraging. So we appreciate it, and thanks. Good luck for the rest of the quarter.
Dave Rush: Thank you.
Peter Jackson: Thanks, Trey.
Operator: And our next question comes from Rafe Jadrosich with Bank of America (NYSE:BAC).
Rafe Jadrosich: Hey, good morning. It’s Rafe, thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask on the commodity pricing in the first quarter, it was deflationary, but when you look at -- I think OSB prices were up, lumber prices seemed flattish sequentially. So can you just talk about what you're seeing there either is it from a mix standpoint? Or how is the competitive environment evolved? And how do you expect that to go going forward?
Peter Jackson: Good morning Rafe. Yeah. So I would tell you right upfront that commodities are where the war is happening. That's where the fight is. It's where historically, you've got the most aggressive players. You've got the most dynamic pricing, the volatility of it. I think what you're seeing in the numbers is really just around timing. A little bit of shift in terms of when we saw the OSB one versus when we were feeling it. That will come through at different points during the year. But I would expect us to be pretty much done with the bad news around the prices of commodities. What I will say, though, is while we saw the run in OSB that's starting to walk back, and we saw a much smaller number, and that's walking back as well. So I think you're seeing that mood of the market recognizing hire for longer and trying to triangulate on what that means to commodity prices. But again, that's not our game. We don't play the commodities up, commodity down bet. We're continuing to on product just in time, move it quickly, price appropriately, get paid for what we do, that our strategy hasn't changed at all in that category.
Rafe Jadrosich: Got it. Very helpful. And then just on SG&A, there was some diversion in the first quarter. How should we think about that going forward here, especially if sales turn in the second half of the year? And then just remind us of the base in terms of incentive comp from last year, do you have any comparison there, and could we just think about leverage versus what you've done historically?
Peter Jackson: Yeah. So SG&A, we saw a couple one-timers come through in Q1 that hurt us a little bit. Some of it was we had some credits last year that we didn't repeat this year. I wouldn't, from my perspective and take it for what it's worth, I wouldn't read too much into it. I think our consistent discipline around expenses will keep us in the ranges that you'd expect. Summer months are always our best leverage months, right, Q2, Q3, so you'll see that come through. In terms of the base business, I guess I would say there isn't much of an adjustment, maybe minor, on the bonus side. I think really the storyline around the year-over-year bonuses is that we gave ourselves, as you've seen, a more challenging target and plan for this year. Our performance is more in line versus vastly outperforming that target, so you will see a pullback in the total amount of bonus dollars just by nature of that performance, which you'd expect. I think that shareholders, management, the board is all in alignment on that one. So that will be a bit of a tailwind versus the prior year, just from a dollar amount perspective.
Dave Rush: The only thing I'd add is our highest variable cost, obviously, is our labor. The field and the team have done an exceptional job keeping labor as a percent of gross profit, which is our key metric, right in line with our operating within the parameters of what we set for ourselves in this level of sales and activity. Our tools for managing that cost are as good as they've ever been in my 25 years with the company. The key factor for us in managing SG&A is how well we manage our labor down at the field level, and they've done exceptional at that since the beginning of the year.
Rafe Jadrosich: Thank you. It's very helpful.
Operator: We have our next question from Keith Hughes with Truist.
Keith Hughes: Thank you. The question on the windows and doors segment was down 2%. You talked about some product costs declining. Can you talk about that a little bit more, which product? Is that selling price declining or inputs or any kind of details of that?
Dave Rush: Good morning, Keith. If you recall, Keith, this time last year or in the first quarter last year, we were just coming out of normalization of supply chain. Windows and doors were getting delivered timely again. The National Builders focus on completions in that first quarter was at a higher level just to catch up. That kind of was the pig in the python for us last year in higher millwork and window and door sales in the first quarter than normal. I would tell you this first quarter was normal. So we had to roll over those numbers from last year where it was a bit more tilted towards completions, where this year was more normal with respect to completions. There has been some deflation in the category, and specifically, I think, with millwork on the millwork side. That has affected it modestly. I think we saw pretty close our volumes did exactly what we expected our volumes to do, and it was more along the lines of some of the deflationary impact along with rolling over that higher degree of completions last first quarter. That really explained the difference.
Keith Hughes: Okay. Thank you.
Operator: And we have our next question from Adam Baumgarten with Zelman & Associates.
Adam Baumgarten: Hey, good morning, guys. Can you talk about what you're seeing from a non-commodity pricing perspective? And maybe specifically on the manufactured product side?
Peter Jackson: So you're talking about customer pricing or vendor pricing.
Adam Baumgarten: Your pricing to customers.
Peter Jackson: So it's -- as you would expect and why we play in those categories, that is less price sensitive on the manufacturing side because once you get locked in with the designer and you get locked in with somebody who's going to meet delivery schedules and whatnot. That becomes more important factor. Now as commodities have fluctuated and the fact that they are a component of manufacturing that affects the price as commodities go up or down, and they've been going down for lumber slightly. But you know what we've been able to do is offset some of that with our efficiencies that we've been able to gain throughout since the merger with our automation investments and our continual improvement in actual board foot per labor hour produced has been a nice offset to some of those challenges. But as a whole, Value Add continues to hold in there better than commodities, which, of course, is in line with our strategy.
Adam Baumgarten: Okay. Got it. That's helpful. And then just on the 3% to 4% impact from weather you saw in 1Q, how should we expect that to be recouped? Is it mostly in 2Q? Or is it going to span over a few quarters?
Peter Jackson: Well, I was happy to say Q2, up until Houston got varied or flooded out. Generally, it takes about quarter to a quarter and a half to catch back up. It doesn't unfortunately just whipsaw back the other direction, but that's probably a reasonable way to think about it, three to four months.
Adam Baumgarten: Got it. Thanks. Best of luck.
Peter Jackson: Thank you.
Operator: And our next question comes from Stanley Elliott with Stifel.
Stanley Elliott: Hey, good morning, everybody. Thank you for the question. Can you talk a little bit about what you are seeing on the services piece, so very strong numbers up 17%. Is this kind of a reflection of your efforts to take it into new markets? Is this existing more services with some of your existing customers? And then I guess, secondly, how should we eventually think about this either an attach rate or pull through on some of the other things you're doing on the manufacturing side?
Dave Rush: Yes. I would say all of the above. We had a strong install business. We did $2.5 billion in labor and materials installed in 2023. So we had a nice base to work from. And our initial focus, as you would expect, was on the products that we are already good at in one market and leveraging that platform to other markets. And it's the products that we're most familiar with and the products that we distribute every day. So we've got off to a great start. A lot of that increase is from existing markets that are already doing install because those are the ones that had the base to work from. But we developed really nice playbooks, and we've had really good interest, which has been pull interest. So as people reaching out, I want to get into this business, how do I do it the right way versus us saying, hey, you need to get into this business, which is in my role, in my seat, that's what you want to see. And we've got really good people, really good plans, and we just think it's the next evolution for us as a company in solving our customer pain points and doing it methodically and in a way that we don't make mistakes. That's key for me, to do it the right way and make sure that what we're generating is customer value added solutions.
Stanley Elliott: And curious to kind of tagging on that if you were to share, are you seeing more of this uptick with some of the smaller builders, some of the more national builders, just trying to kind of get a sense for the flavor there?
Dave Rush: It’s a little -- it depends on the product category first of all. The national builders certainly like the install solution wherever they can apply it. The custom guys like it, but they're a little more specific to millwork or a little more specific to install windows probably not so much installed framing, right? So, it's a really good play for the national builders. They seem to like that the best, but there are applications for both segments.
Peter Jackson: And to Dave's point, we do see a higher level of adoption of our value-added products to the larger players just generally.
Dave Rush: Yes. And install is a natural evolution to the value add. It's the next part of value add, not only do you get the components delivered to the job site, but you actually install the components that are delivered to the job site, that's just a natural evolution of doing more for our customers.
Stanley Elliott: Perfect guys. That’s it for me. Thanks and best of luck.
Operator: And we have our next question from Collin Verron with Jefferies.
Collin Verron: Hey good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I just want to start on the gross margin side of things. You talked about the shift in timing towards early-stage homebuilding products being a gross margin mix headwind. Can you maybe quantify that headwind either sequentially or year-over-year? And how it compares to the headwind you're seeing from multifamily normalization? And just following up on that, how you're thinking about that mix through the rest of the year, just given what you're seeing in starts, backlogs and conversations with your customers?
Peter Jackson: Yes. So I don't think I can give you the detail -- good morning, Collin. Thank you for the question. I'm not sure I can give you the breakdown necessarily exactly what you're looking for. What I can tell you is on the mix side, it's an expectation that we're going to see a trend back to normal mix. I don't think that's much of a stretch, right? So what we're seeing right now is more of our growth being in the pure commodities and the trust and the relationship between just those 2 categories, biases it towards the commodities. And commodities like I was saying before, is where we've had the most aggressive normalization. We've seen it across the board on the gross margins, right? We've seen gross margin normalization. We've talked about it a lot. It's not just multifamily, it's single-family, too. A matter of fact, this quarter, the bulk of it was single-family normalization. Much of that is the mix, but a good chunk of that is also just what we've been messaging over the last year, and that's -- we have seen this normalization play out, we have seen it across the business. And this year's margins are when you peel back that multifamily stuff, a step down from where they were. That was why we were so adamant last year that our mid-30s gross margin numbers weren't going to hold on because we were seeing it play out. But that mix will certainly be a tailwind as we gain the later-stage building products, but we have, again, the lapping from the prior year. So that's why our guide is in that 30 to 33 range because we think that those three variables will play against each other, and we want to try and give you the best insight possible to where we'll end up.
Collin Verron: Okay. That's helpful color. I guess I want to pivot towards the M&A pipeline. It sounds like it's pretty robust. Any color to the size of potential deals out there in the market and what those potential targets look like from a product offering perspective.
Peter Jackson: We won't get that precise, but I think our strategy has not changed, right? The way we look at the market, where we're successful, where we can add the most value are all variables in the discussion. But I think that there's -- there are always a million rumors about what may or may not trade. I think for us, it's imperative that we stay disciplined and we stay focused. What's exciting is, as it stands today, we see a lot of assets out there that fit that screen, and now we just got to see if we can get them across finish line.
Collin Verron: Okay. Thank you for taking my questions.
Operator: And our next question comes from Tyler Batory with Oppenheimer.
Tyler Batory: Thank you. Good morning. A question on the competitive environment. Are you seeing some of the smaller players out there maybe trying to get more aggressive to take market shares? Is that having an impact on your performance and on your business?
Peter Jackson: What I would tell you, Tyler, not any more than usual. Again, where we differentiate ourselves is in the value-added solution and the value-added space and that's for a reason. Anybody can do commodities, anybody can deliver lumber. It's hard to differentiate yourself in a straight distribution model. So we do see competition in that arena for sure. We try to leverage our relationships with those customers where we do other stuff for them very well and use that as a way to continue to maintain share on the commodity side versus just getting into a price war, so we do see competition in that regard. We choose to compete where we want to compete in that regard. But we'll always do a high percentage of lumber. We're good at doing lumber. We're good at meeting schedules and making sure the lumber is there when the customer wants it and we get recognized for that and where we get that recognition is where we play. But in short, a lot more competition on the commodity side than the non-commodity side and our reputation on the value-added space carries us a long way.
Dave Rush: The only thing I'll add, I think it might be embedded in your question is share. I think one of the variables that we struggle with is what's the real share number. Generally, we would use single-family starts as a proxy for the market and then we would compare our sales against that. In general, that's a really tricky thing right now because I think there are some meaningful differences between a start, unit and a sales dollar. Homes are smaller. The costs of those homes of what being put into them are simpler and cheaper. And we've seen some not insignificant cost reductions or pricing reductions in terms of what we're getting from our vendors and what's selling into the market, whether it be commodities, which is the obvious one, but also EWP or millwork or any of the other ones we've talked about, those all represent sort of gaps or deltas between those two units of measure. And then you layer on a little bit of the timing related stuff, whether it be how complete these homes are and what we're selling or the weather or whatever, it certainly has made that whole discussion and that analysis really challenging. But back to Dave's point, I think the only place we think we've maybe struggled or battled is in that commodity, the low end where smaller competitors are more willing to get down and dirty.
Tyler Batory: Okay. Very helpful. And then a quick follow-up on the R&R side of things, down 5% in the quarter, I think weather probably impacting that. What are you seeing here in the second quarter and there's a lot of differing views on the R&R end market out there? Just share your confidence in terms of your growth outlook this year in that end market?
Dave Rush: So, as it relates specifically to the first quarter, we're higher concentrated in R&R in the Northeast. And the Northeast was the area of the country for us that was a great -- more greatly impacted by weather. I think 20 to 23 days had serious weather in the quarter. That's where we felt it. In general, I think R&R will be -- it's kind of two-edged sword, right? The bigger projects are facing some of the same kind of cost of money pressures that the small custom builder is facing, but the regular smaller projects, I think, are going to be along the same line as what you would expect.
Tyler Batory: Okay, that’s all from me. Thank you.
Dave Rush: Thank you.
Operator: And we have our next question from David Manthey with Baird.
David Manthey: Thanks. Dave, Peter, good morning. My first question is on the Digital, so the revenue uptick is good to see. Could you share with us any data on the number of net users today versus a year ago or the end of last year, just to give us an idea of how that's ramping? And then is there any prototypical customer type that's implementing the system? Or is it just based on personality and choice?
Dave Rush: Morning Dave. Yes, we're excited about digital. I don't unfortunately have user numbers. I might be able to get them for you, but I don't have them off the top of my head. It's going up. We're seeing that. They were, gosh, I don't know 500 or 700 leads that we took out of IDS. We've got a lot of customers as we do our adoption and our rollout around the country that are coming on board. While most of them are mid to smaller-sized builders, the profile, I think, that you're talking about are those that are leaning into digital and technology to be able to make themselves more efficient and more professional and better with their customers. I think you've got -- sometimes it's generational. Candidly, sometimes it's not. It's just the mentality around leveraging tools to take waste out of the job, make the job go quicker, connect with the home buyer a little bit more easily, more visually. But it's such a -- in our opinion, it's such a compelling tool it's got so much that can help the build or just get a little bit better every day. That game we're all trying to play, creating efficiency, making it more transparent to the builder, to the trades and to the home buyer. So that -- those are the types of customers, the ones that really take advantage of technology to do that, that we're seeing early -- but in general, I think our digital tool has become -- is increasingly becoming the new way of doing business just because it's so easy. It's very modern, it's very smooth. And so far so good. We're excited about the ramp-up trend and how it's been progressing so far early days.
Peter Jackson: What I would tell you, juices me the most was the traffic we had at our booth at IBS. I'm never in my 25 years with going to IBS and seen the kind of excitement and the kind of traffic that went through our booth primarily because of our digital platform and showing what capabilities that it was going to present. The other -- the other thing I would say is, think about it, if you're a smaller builder, 50 to 200 homes a year, you don't have the ability to invest in technology for yourself to get this to the level of platform that we're developing. What we're doing is leveraging our ability to make those investments develop that platform for our customers of that size so that they can play in that space and be efficient without having to make a huge upfront investment themselves. So that's the rationale behind why we developed it and why we think it will be appealing for our customer base and if IBS is any indication, we hit it right on the head.
David Manthey: Okay. Thanks, guys. In the interest of time, I'll just pass it on. Thank you.
Peter Jackson: Thanks, David.
Operator: And we have our next question from Jay McCanless with Wedbush.
Jay McCanless: Hey, good morning everyone. So my first question, Peter, I think you called out some pretty positive sales trends for the western US. Could you talk about how that's trended in April and May, similar pattern to what you saw in 1Q?
Peter Jackson: Good morning, Jay. Yeah, pretty similar. I think that the -- West got hammered out of the gate, and they bounced back really nicely. You know, a little more stable through the other two regions, but yeah, I think that's been pretty consistent. We'll have to see how this whole weather thing in Houston plays out, but for the time being, it's pretty good.
Jay McCanless: Okay. Thanks. And then taking the lumber question, especially some of the more commodity goods a step further, is this a function of not only higher mortgage rates, but was there an oversupply of commodity lumber in the system to start the year? Just wondering if this is all rate-driven, if there's some other mitigating factors we need to be monitoring.
Peter Jackson: We didn't see a lot of unusual behavior in the market, now. Tough for us to see that from perspective, but it's a strong -- I would say, generally a strong and a stable market. So I don't know how people made bets with regard to where stuff was moving.
Jay McCanless: Okay. Okay. Great. Thanks for taking my questions.
Peter Jackson: Thanks, Dave
Operator: And we have our next question from Ketan Mamtora with BMO Capital Markets.
Ketan Mamtora: Thank you. Peter, just one question. You've talked quite a bit about margin normalization and multifamily. On the core organic, the single-family piece, do you think at this point, we are sort of towards the end of that normalization, we are midway through? How would you characterize that? And are the competitive dynamics in that side of the business changing at all, given sort of pressure on EWP prices, given where lumber is today. Just curious to get your thoughts.
Peter Jackson: Thanks, Ketan, yes, I would tell you that we're closer to the end in terms of how we expect margins to normalize. We're still below normal in terms of volume. So that's a pressure-filled environment. It's always very competitive. It always has been. We expect it always will be on the commodity side. But that now needs to be a battle cry that we rise to, right? And it's something that we've done for years and we feel good about. There's a -- there's an expectation that the little player will always be more competitive, and we think that will continue to play out. But by and large, I think margins have performed well. There's certainly been some aggressiveness from certain vendors, but in most cases, it's in response to past moves. So more of a normalization, more of a rebound back -- a mean reversion, if you will, rather than a, oh, we're in trouble, we need to do something dramatic. Does that make sense?
Ketan Mamtora: It does. Thank you very much.
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